Current Affairs Ukraine

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Still long way to go till Kherson is liberated but its only a matter of time

It’ll turn into a rout. Managed retreats are notoriously difficult and we’re talking about the Russian military here.

Those mobiks left behind are probably thinking of how to get themselves across the Dnipro

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Kurt.]

My wife has just paid for some holistic health course in Russia using a UK card. So much for sanctions hey?

Ballistic therapy probably

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Haydn]

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

 

[stipe]

All this retreat seem very suspicious, even likes of Kadyrov and Prigozhin (Wagner leader) publicly support it, despite them bitching after Kharkiv/Izyum thing 2 months ago.

Judging by Ukrainian responses, they are are suspicious too.

 

[Glasshalffull]

Russia doing what it does best - running away (again).

I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment, mate, but think we need to be careful with our language, so the message is anti-Putin and his black-hearted hierarchy, and not anti-Russian. The people in general have no clue as to the facts of the situation, and Russia did more, and sacrificed more, to defeat the WWII nazis that any other nation, really, so they're not perennial runners away.

 

[stipe]

I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment, mate, but think we need to be careful with our language, so the message is anti-Putin and his black-hearted hierarchy, and not anti-Russian. The people in general have no clue as to the facts of the situation, and Russia did more, and sacrificed more, to defeat the WWII nazis that any other nation, really, so they're not perennial runners away.

Also should not write them off, this is far, far from over

 

[peteblue]

I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment, mate, but think we need to be careful with our language, so the message is anti-Putin and his black-hearted hierarchy, and not anti-Russian. The people in general have no clue as to the facts of the situation, and Russia did more, and sacrificed more, to defeat the WWII nazis that any other nation, really, so they're not perennial runners away.

They also did more and assisted the Nazi’s more than any other nation until Germany attacked them. Then the U.K. did more and assisted the Russians more than any other nation with the Arctic Convoys getting war material to Russia to allow them to fight back against them. Without the U.K. and it’s naval strength Russia would have folded…..

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment, mate, but think we need to be careful with our language, so the message is anti-Putin and his black-hearted hierarchy, and not anti-Russian. The people in general have no clue as to the facts of the situation, and Russia did more, and sacrificed more, to defeat the WWII nazis that any other nation, really, so they're not perennial runners away.

Those scruffs who invaded Ukraine would make their great grandfathers turn in their graves at their actions.

Raping, looting, murdering. They are destroyers of dreams and lives and as such deserve no quarter.

Fully agree with your thoughts, but by Russians I’m referring to the scum that are roaming around Ukraine at this time.

 

[peteblue]

Russians are officially withdrawing from Kherson city to the right bank of Dnieper river under excuse that Ukrainians gonna blow dam.

I bet they gonna blow the dam themselves in few days after they retreat their troops. Ukrainians should be careful what they doing.

I would have thought that the Ukrainians will have set up specifically to attack the cross river pull back whenever it comes….

 

[tsubaki]

All this retreat seem very suspicious, even likes of Kadyrov and Prigozhin (Wagner leader) publicly support it, despite them bitching after Kharkiv/Izyum thing 2 months ago.

Judging by Ukrainian responses, they are are suspicious too.

Admittedly with an amateur eye and without real knowledge of what is happening on the ground, this is a move that is more sensible if you want to end up with drawing a line on a map as to whose this side is and whose that side is. It is also fairly obviously more defensible.

 

[jaspercabbage]

I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment, mate, but think we need to be careful with our language, so the message is anti-Putin and his black-hearted hierarchy, and not anti-Russian. The people in general have no clue as to the facts of the situation, and Russia did more, and sacrificed more, to defeat the WWII nazis that any other nation, really, so they're not perennial runners away.

Russia fully supported Hitler for 3 years of WW2, and would have continued to do so until the end of the war if he hadn't double crossed them.

 

[Glasshalffull]

Russia fully supported Hitler for 3 years of WW2, and would have continued to do so until the end of the war if he hadn't double crossed them.

Well, yes, but we'd have been stuffed if that hadn't happened, and Russia sustaining millions of casualties to inflict heavy damage in Hitler, so they clearly didn't run away. Again, it was Stalin who thought the Hitler support was a good idea, and the people of Russia had no say in the matter (and anyone who did say anything under Stalin wound up dead, or banged up in some hell hole).

I'm no Russian expert, nor an historian, but looking at Russian governments over the years, the people might not have not been much worse off sticking with the Tsars. Depressing, really.

 

[Glasshalffull]

They also did more and assisted the Nazi’s more than any other nation until Germany attacked them. Then the U.K. did more and assisted the Russians more than any other nation with the Arctic Convoys getting war material to Russia to allow them to fight back against them. Without the U.K. and it’s naval strength Russia would have folded…..

I'm not at all seeking to minimise the role of other countries, especially not the UK, in seeing off Hitler, mate. I was making the point that without Russia's ability to sustain millions of casualties, civilian and military, and the fact that they inflicted eye-watering casualties on Russian land forces, the war in Europe couldn't have been won, or certainly not for many, many, more years. Russians therefore did not 'run away'. Equally importantly, the UK kept the war against Hitler going virtually single handedly, and if my parents and their generation had folded then, then the war would have been over before the US got started, and Germany and Russia turned on each other.

I've been reminded by someone else that, in Ukraine, the conduct of the Russian forces has been, even by the dodgy standards found in war, often dreadful both towards prisoners and civilians. Maybe that's due to the deliberate recruitment of scum in sime cases, and the poor training of others. Some of these fellas do, indeed, seem inclined to run away. I guess that's either because they don't want to answer for what they've done, or have no motivation to get killed in some foreign country where they've no place being.

I'll finish by just repeating my point that the Ukraine war is a Putin and his acolytes thing, and neither he nor some of the troops involved are representative of Russians in general - certainly not Russians privileged to know what's actually going on.