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[Lobster Johnson]

As with everything, treat with caution, but:



That would be significant

You'd expect 2 to 3 times that wounded as well.

Doesn't tell us Ukraine's butcher bill, however

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

@RAFUH and her MD would like a word with you. Might have some things to say about the "man" bit too.

How very dissapointing you don't think I used the word man on purpose. I.e. to not preclude the highly educated ladies.

Shame on you Martin, shame on you.

 

[PhilM]

Is it though? There were reportedly 200,000 troops staged outside the border when this began.

In modern conflicts, casualty numbers of troops are often much lower than historical conflicts. There were just over 900 from both sides in the Falklands.

During the Gulf War, the coalition lost less than 150 from active combat. The numbers from Iraq, before the urgency, weren't much greater.*

*The Iraqis obviously lost thousands and it's not mentioning civilians.

 

[RAFUH]

@RAFUH and her MD would like a word with you. Might have some things to say about the "man" bit too.

PharmD, but there plenty of folks on here more educated than me....even more that are more knowledgeable, formally educated or otherwise.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Far from it.

Of course, I forgot about Kev's Doctorate in military strategy. Silly me.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Merci. History and Politics for my first bachelors, with particular focus on Europe 1900+, British Imperialism and Post-1945 decolonisation for my units.

I did a Modern History MA with some of the above and others bits, and recently another philosophy bachelors.

 

[Neiler]

What would you do then?

Seriously though:

Ukraine I think is over before it’s begun, it’s gone, via, the terrible cost of what we are seeing in fighting in Ukraine.

This is about the Ukraine, but it isn’t, it’s about Russia reasserting itself strategically as a world power after the fall of the Soviet Union, that’s Putins motivation and it’s been planned ever since then, they have big alliances out east, they have covered their backs economically.

They have infiltrated national structures and governments everywhere in Western Europe. In short the West are snookered and their pants are pulled down, Putins done everyone. The West have tried to keep the cold alliance with him for to long, he’s leveraged it to his advantage, now he’s judged this the opportune time to strike. He sees the West as weak.

Unless the West are prepared to move troops into Ukraine, Putin has just reasserted the world order. He won’t stop here he will keep pushing, I’m not talking about invading Poland, I’m talking about Russia influence spreading and growing as a world power.

The job of work for the West is to realise he is a real threat, which prior to this they didn’t, - do what he has done, plan, strategise have cohesive real alliances economically and militarily and stimey his next move, which will come, the push is now east to West in growing influence, the push now has to come back to hold him back, again that not nessecarily military action. Sanctions are weeing in the wind and he’s laughing at them, he’s well prepared, this time hasn’t been chosen by accident. The West is totally unprepared and has been badly infiltrated and compromised for a while by Russia, it’s vulnerable. This could be a new modern war fought on many fronts and not by the military. The West need to mobilise quickly in whatever name or alliance, because he and China have a head start and plans in place.

 

[Bungle]

Merci. History and Politics for my first bachelors, with particular focus on Europe 1900+, British Imperialism and Post-1945 decolonisation for my units.

I did a Modern History MA with some of the above and others bits, and recently another philosophy bachelors.

Level 2 NVQ in business administration here, so please leave this to the professionals and go to bed mate.

Maybe comeback when you've retaken a GCSE or 2, pleb.

 

[Kris75]

Christ! A thread more heartbreaking and depressing than an Everton matchday thread.

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[Chewbacca]

TBF China relies on China not being economically insular too - I don't expect them to join the cavalcade of sanctions, but I also think they've got a big hold over Russia now given how Putin has just isolated them from the rest of the world.

Globalisation as it has been for the past twenty years is probably dead though, if not countries then blocs need to be self-sufficient where they can.

An excellent time for the UK to go it alone then.

 

[peteblue]

I hope the Ukrainians kick the [Poor language removed] out of the Russians ……

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Christ! A thread more heartbreaking and depressing than an Everton matchday thread.

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Markedly less cry arsing, though

 

[PhilM]

The Russians are pulling a lot of their naval assets from the East Med to around Syria. The reasoning behind this is yet to be disclosed but there’s a lot of talk.

Apparently, Kaliningrad and the Arctic have been getting probed by NATO forces over the past twenty-four hours, a lot. Turkey may be making a decision too.

 

[Paris]

KGB was on your trail all along mate.

I thought it was weird that works IT went down after I offered him out.

You’ve rattled him mate - 4’9” Vlad didn’t want them hands

It’s true. He’ll probably bring out Ivan Drago.

Offer his foreign minster out while your at it .
He needs a good smack as well

I’m on it. Lavrov fancies himself a master strategist, well I challenge him to a game of chess.

 

[Haydn]

A lot of what you are saying there would be an official violation of human rights, let alone the impossibility given ongoing trade/business concerns.

And even if you did it, I am not sure you would get the kind of negative internal reaction you desire due to the oppressive nature of what would be seen as 'western' punishment.

Russians domestically tend to keep their powder dry over matters such as these, there is no widespread, or even minor discontent over this likely invasion. Any provocation is viewed as western determined.

Isn’t the whole point of sanctions to restrict or deny free access to things that may currently be considered as “rights” ?

A lot of what you are saying there would be an official violation of human rights, let alone the impossibility given ongoing trade/business concerns.

Please explain your concerns in regard to human rights ? I’d willingly unleash the mother of all hellfire on Putin.