Current Affairs Ukraine

[davids]

So you DO want Russian troops to withdraw from Crimea, the Donbass and all points between, and return it all to Ukraine. Excellent, so do I.

That won't happen if Ukraine surrenders though, will it? So pretty much only Putin can stop this.

Now that took some working out.?

 

[Tree13]

So how exactly does this shambles of an army find their way to the countries you mentioned. They can't even get a quarter of the way into Ukraine.

The thousands of civilian corpses in Ukraine suggest that getting into 15% of the country has been far enough for Putin's troops. Plus the artillery, rocket and missile strikes on targets deeper in Ukraine don't require full infantry invasion and control.

I don't think the average country on the outside looking in would be thinking "I hope we don't take precautions against that happening to us."

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Not much of a wow to Valenciano and Catalan.?

Fair play to you mate, I'm currently attempting Romanian and it's not easy for me.

 

[bluestevon]

My understanding from the June article was he moved from the air role pretty early on in the invasion?

“In recent days, the Russian defence ministry announced that Colonel General Alexander Lapin was in command of the Central Group of Forces in Ukraine, while General Sergei Surovikin was heading the Southern Group of Forces during the invasion.…
The arrival of Surovikin, though, was a surprise given that he was previously head of the VKS, the Russian’s combined air and air defence forces. He is no airman. Until 2017, Surovikin served in the Ground Forces, fighting in the Soviet war in Afghanistan, Russia’s military intervention into the Tajikistan civil war, and then the Second Chechen War, where he was wounded in action. He has a reputation for extreme toughness: in 2004, one of his subordinates shot himself in Surovikin’s office after he had been chewed out.

Interesting point in him not being an air guy - think initially he actually refused to take on the appointment.

Makes me wonder as a ground guy if he's been holding off on using the airforce as he understands how they need to be used in a combined arms support - and Russians tend to do weird stuff with aircraft almost using them in the same way as artillery with wings. Rather than the way say NATO use them.

 

[bluestevon]

My understanding from the June article was he moved from the air role pretty early on in the invasion?

“In recent days, the Russian defence ministry announced that Colonel General Alexander Lapin was in command of the Central Group of Forces in Ukraine, while General Sergei Surovikin was heading the Southern Group of Forces during the invasion.…
The arrival of Surovikin, though, was a surprise given that he was previously head of the VKS, the Russian’s combined air and air defence forces. He is no airman. Until 2017, Surovikin served in the Ground Forces, fighting in the Soviet war in Afghanistan, Russia’s military intervention into the Tajikistan civil war, and then the Second Chechen War, where he was wounded in action. He has a reputation for extreme toughness: in 2004, one of his subordinates shot himself in Surovikin’s office after he had been chewed out.

Interesting point in him not being an air guy - think initially he actually refused to take on the appointment.

Makes me wonder as a ground guy if he's been holding off on using the airforce as he understands how they need to be used in a combined arms support - and Russians tend to do weird stuff with aircraft almost using them in the same way as artillery with wings. Rather than the way say NATO use them.

 

[davids]

The thousands of civilian corpses in Ukraine suggest that getting into 15% of the country has been far enough for Putin's troops. Plus the artillery, rocket and missile strikes on targets deeper in Ukraine don't require full infantry invasion and control.

I don't think the average country on the outside looking in would be thinking "I hope we don't take precautions against that happening to us."

So if 15% into Ukraine is as far as they can get, opening a new front in Finland might just be that step too far.?

 

[ramacca]

If Putin pulls Russian troops out, what will happen to those in the Donbass, the Kherson region and the Zaporizhzhia region that voted to join Russia?

Maybe the answer is in here somewhere.

How Ukrainians are taking revenge on Russian collaborators​

https://www.dailymail.co.uk › news › article-11284819

 

[bluestevon]

Does the Wagner group come under his control too?

With his role now, everything besides naval should be.

 

[Tree13]

I'm confused, how did Dad's Army take Mariupol that had 14 000 Ukraine and foreign mercenary troops in, including the crack Nazi Azov brigade?

Foreign mercenary troops?

Hahahaha hahahaha wtf are you trying to achieve by peddling that lie?

The suggestion that the newly mobilised Russian reserves are a bit of a Dad's Army does not magically reverse history. The Russian troops that took Mariupol were elements of the initial invasion force, not the reservists who only got press-ganged into service three months AFTER Mariupol fell.

Silly womble troll.

 

[LinekersLegs]

With his role now, everything besides naval should be.

Wonder how Prigozhin is going to feel about that.

 

[Tree13]

So if 15% into Ukraine is as far as they can get, opening a new front in Finland might just be that step too far.?

Not if mad Vlad starts throwing nukes around in Ukraine, as he keeps threatening to do.

Given Russia's long derpy history of trying to invade Finland, and the shameful atrocities committed against Poles, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians by Russian troops in WW2, I can see exactly why those countries are not interested in trusting anything Putin says about his intentions towards them - he was still insisting that he had no intention of invading Ukraine the day before he ordered 150,000 troops into Ukraine.

 

[Tree13]

If Putin pulls Russian troops out, what will happen to those in the Donbass, the Kherson region and the Zaporizhzhia region that voted to join Russia?

Maybe the answer is in here somewhere.

How Ukrainians are taking revenge on Russian collaborators​

https://www.dailymail.co.uk › news › article-11284819

Given that those who "voted" in the "referenda" were largely bussed in from Russia to replace the Ukrainian civilians who were murdered, I imagine they'll depart back to Russia.

This may come as a fright to you, but there are *suggestions* that those referenda aren't really legitimate.

 

[Wizard]

If Putin pulls Russian troops out, what will happen to those in the Donbass, the Kherson region and the Zaporizhzhia region that voted to join Russia?

Maybe the answer is in here somewhere.

How Ukrainians are taking revenge on Russian collaborators​

https://www.dailymail.co.uk › news › article-11284819

Bit of a difference between people that actively helped Russians to torture and kill civilians and those that were forced to vote in a rigged election.

 

[ramacca]

Foreign mercenary troops?

Hahahaha hahahaha wtf are you trying to achieve by peddling that lie?

The suggestion that the newly mobilised Russian reserves are a bit of a Dad's Army does not magically reverse history. The Russian troops that took Mariupol were elements of the initial invasion force, not the reservists who only got press-ganged into service three months AFTER Mariupol fell.

Silly womble troll.

Firstly, there were 2 Englishmen captured in Mariupol amongst other foreign mercenaries.

Secondly, most of those soldiers that took Mariupol were from the Donbass People's Militia, mostly Donetsk, with Chechan support fighters.

 

[Tree13]

Show me where I have advocated that, I quoted several posts were news outlets posted articles mentioning it was being discussed. The only people who should have a say are the Ukrainian civilians cowering in air raid shelters.

I'm confused.

You've criticised the Ukr government for not accepting a ceasefire that involved them ceding the Donbass and Crimea, and staying out of NATO. But now you deny advocating that they should cede the Donbass and Crimea, and stay out of NATO.

So you don't advocate them ceding these territories, but also criticise them for failing to do so. That seems perfectly logical.