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[davids]

I don’t think it’s fair that you counter argument by baselessly denigrating someone’s credentials. It looks like you would struggle to respond so are resorting to saying they are not who they say they are.
Plenty of people on here are from all walks of life and different experiences. Embellishments happen for sure but outright liars are soon found out.
FWIW I agree that what we are generally told regarding this conflict will have a pro west/Ukraine narrative, but that shouldn’t deflect from the horrors being committed and the suffering the Ukrainians are currently experiencing.

It's a very serious subject,but let's be honest some posters on the thread are so far up their own rear ends that it would be rude not to prick their pomposity. Let's face it the internet is a playground for those who give freedom to their self imagined lives. You can claim to be anything you choose,but that doesn't mean everyone has to swallow it. In a world full of death destruction and mega- mourning this thread can produce some much needed laughs.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

It's a very serious subject,but let's be honest some posters on the thread are so far up their own rear ends that it would be rude not to prick their pomposity. Let's face it the internet is a playground for those who give freedom to their self imagined lives. You can claim to be anything you choose,but that doesn't mean everyone has to swallow it. In a world full of death destruction and mega- mourning this thread can produce some much needed laughs.

Well it is aye but there are clearly going to be ex-forces, historians, scientists etc on here and they are very likely to post in relevant threads.

 

[PhilM]

Well it is aye but there are clearly going to be ex-forces, historians, scientists etc on here and they are very likely to post in relevant threads.

Or everyone is embellishing, indulging in deceit and being pompous apart from one person who is fighting for the cause and whose view is above all others?

I wonder which is more likely.

 

[davids]

Well it is aye but there are clearly going to be ex-forces, historians, scientists etc on here and they are very likely to post in relevant threads.

Being an ex squaddie doesn't make you an expert on the current situation in the Ukraine. I have a screenshots of a couple of private messages I received from posters on this forum it's generally seen as bad form to post PMs so I won't,but it just cemented for me what a strange world some of the posters on this thread inhabit. It's why I take so many posts and their posters with a large pinch of salt.

 

[davids]

Or everyone is embellishing, indulging in deceit and being pompous apart from one person who is fighting for the cause and whose view is above all others?

I wonder which is more likely.

From what I've seen I'll go with embellishment,if not downright fantasy.?

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

These people clearly know what they are on about. They only reason to say otherwise is cos they’re making you look very stupid.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

It’s ironic the putin apologist is himself, pumping out fake news.

 

[bluestevon]

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This wordpress timeline of events, below, is concerning. Putin has been playing the long game in getting a new leadership landscape of right leaning puppets - and backed by manipulating the masses through social media/fake news etc. It is going to take years to unpick his meddling.

Trump & Russia

An Exhaustive Timeline 1987-2018

trumprussia.wordpress.com

I'll give credit to the person (group) putting all that together, but good God man it's tin foil hat time and has some ludicrous entries in it, funniest is the the picture of Putin with Reagan, only it doesn't even look like him if you've seen actual photographs of what he looked like around that time.

That's straight out the Hilary (Russia stole my election win) playbook.

A funny read though

 

[PhilM]

As I said earlier, this mobilisation and potential move towards war will be the undoing of Putin, as the potential for civil unrest will continue to rise each day.

It will require a lot of manpower to maintain order at home and with more and more losses, which are certain to occur, those left behind at home will feel it too.

The cost of mobilisation will be immense too as each one of those men will need feeding, housing, equipping and their wages paying during their service.

Even though Russian pay and conditions aren't anywhere near western standards, it's an additional cost that will squeeze their constrained economy even more.

If they're not well-kept, it will filter down into the moral, this will lead to dissent, and it will get spread to their loved ones when they hear of the horrors.

Threatening people to enlist, providing rusty and inadequate equipment alongside a lack of training before shipping them to a pointless war is not going to work.

You can't fight a war on two fronts and this could be the outcome if unrest within Russia begins to grow, hence why Putin may soon look for a resolution.

 

[wainy]

As I said earlier, this mobilisation and potential move towards war will be the undoing of Putin, as the potential for civil unrest will continue to rise each day.

It will require a lot of manpower to maintain order at home and with more and more losses, which are certain to occur, those left behind at home will feel it too.

The cost of mobilisation will be immense too as each one of those men will need feeding, housing, equipping and their wages paying during their service.

Even though Russian pay and conditions aren't anywhere near western standards, it's an additional cost that will squeeze their constrained economy even more.

If they're not well-kept, it will filter down into the moral, this will lead to dissent, and it will get spread to their loved ones when they hear of the horrors.

Threatening people to enlist, providing rusty and inadequate equipment alongside a lack of training before shipping them to a pointless war is not going to work.

You can't fight a war on two fronts and this could be the outcome if unrest within Russia begins to grow, hence why Putin may soon look for a resolution.

Seen so many videos like this, it’s crazy. If Putin thinks sending these men to war will make any difference at all he’s in for a rude awakening. Poorly motivated, poorly trained and ill equipped for the job. It will be a massacre.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Or everyone is embellishing, indulging in deceit and being pompous apart from one person who is fighting for the cause and whose view is above all others?

I wonder which is more likely.

Its a troll, Phil. There are plenty of threads that it could be venting its spleen about NATO and the west but it has been glaringly absent.

It is sad to see anyone getting there rocks of on a situation involving paedophilia, rape and murder but each to their own, I suppose.

 

[PhilM]

Seen so many videos like this, it’s crazy. If Putin thinks sending these men to war will make any difference at all he’s in for a rude awakening. Poorly motivated, poorly trained and I’ll equipped for the job. It will be a massacre.

Before you know it, there'll be a fair few NCOs and officers getting killed as discipline will be terrible at best, coupled with an unwillingness to fight.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Being an ex squaddie doesn't make you an expert on the current situation in the Ukraine.

Well it doesn’t make you an expert on geo-political power plays for sure but it does mean you have experience in military manoeuvres and equipment and likely a load of mates who have similar which I certainly don’t.
Not many posters are really an ‘expert’ on football or politics for example but there are posters opinions I will pay more respect to than others, even if I disagree.

Anyways, going a bit off topic, sure we can agree that the whole thing is horrific for all involved on the ground and especially to those that have lost people close to them. Total waste.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I'll give credit to the person (group) putting all that together, but good God man it's tin foil hat time and has some ludicrous entries in it, funniest is the the picture of Putin with Reagan, only it doesn't even look like him if you've seen actual photographs of what he looked like around that time.

That's straight out the Hilary (Russia stole my election win) playbook.

A funny read though

Your posts in here tend to be a funny read, comrade.


On to an earlier comment, I'm glad your brother in law has dodged the bullet for now. It must be worrying living in Russia under this headcase,

 

[wainy]

Before you know it, there'll be a fair few NCOs and officers getting killed as discipline will be terrible at best, coupled with an unwillingness to fight.

Absolutely, it’s an easy way out for the conscripts for sure. The Russians don’t have the will or, in my belief, the heart/reason to fight this war. The Ukrainians are defending their homeland and can do this for as long as it takes (providing the west keeps on supporting them). Be even worse once the civil unrest sets in in Russia, Putin will be fighting on two fronts.