Current Affairs Ukraine

[Noisy noise annoys]

I think the only people who should have a say in a ceasefire are the women and children sheltering in makeshift bunkers,not members of social media forums. It's all very well to hypothesise on political outcomes in the future but right now they are the ones suffering daily. It might be worth pointing out that for many weeks the fighting has been centred in and around the Donbass,so those very civilians are more likely than not ethnic Russian. Their safety in the future must be considered and sadly the Ukraine don't have a good record in their dealings with them. There are many BBC news reports of the treatment of ethnic Russians in Ukraine and they don't make for pleasant viewing. That's why I'm hoping that a UN neutral buffer force could be negotiated while a longer term solution can be found...but I'm not holding my breath. The US are making hay in the oil and arms markets so,on it'll go.

More whataboutery

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Martin Alvito]

Transparent attempt to put Crimea under a nuclear umbrella. Suggests that things may be even worse in the south than we think.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Russians should be marching this guy to the Hague.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Clever. Evil, but clever.

Russians should be marching this guy to the Hague.

Odds are that they wanted to get him out of Moscow for safety reasons.

 

[PhilM]

Transparent attempt to put Crimea under a nuclear umbrella. Suggests that things may be even worse in the south than we think.

This was my take on it. Once they're declared Russian territory, he'll be able to justify (I use that word loosely) the threat of their wider arsenal to protect them.

If it came to any form of treaty, he would not easily cede Russian land.

 

[Martin Alvito]

This was my take on it. Once they're declared Russian territory, he'll be able to justify (I use that word loosely) the threat of their wider arsenal to protect them.

If it came to any form of treaty, he would not easily cede Russian land.

The problem is: do you want to test him?

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

Clever. Evil, but clever.


Odds are that they wanted to get him out of Moscow for safety reasons.

Odds on he is in a Nuclear bunker. Stress relief for him.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Odds on he is in a Nuclear bunker. Stress relief for him.

I think he has more to fear from his own than from us at the moment.

 

[devogue]

Four Russian planes shot down today.





Oh and another Ka 52...

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

@bluestevon if true...

They are definitely flying more sorties.

 

[davids]

I think the main causes of the persistence of wars of aggression are the risks associated with a direct confrontation between nuclear powers, and the domestic political costs associated with interventions by democratic states.

If you're not willing to volunteer for a fighting force to serve as the world's policeman, then I think the 'women and children' rhetoric rings pretty hollow. That outcome doesn't obtain without the blood of other innocents who are willing to lay down their lives to make it happen.

A peacekeeping force would only take position after a ceasefire had been negotiated,but sadly the US who effectively call the shots in the West are making too much money out of the present situation.

 

[davids]

What about the elected leaders of a democratic country like Ukraine being able to make the decisions?

The decisions they were making for the ethnic Russians in the Ukraine were what brought the Ukraine to the present position it could argued.