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[davids]

Maybe Kherson (though i doubt) but do you really see Ukrainians conducting major counter-offensive to retake Crimea or Donbass/Luhansk? Like in those areas pretty much only Russians/their supporters live now.

Not to mention how much harder is to attack than to defend. This stuff about just seem to wildly optimistic, even if Putin is removed i utterly doubt Russia gonna ever bow to Americans like other European states, they were always on other side, no matter who ruled there, Tsarists, Communists, dictators.............

Took under ten minutes for you to be accused of being a Kremlin agent.? If you don't tow the Nato party line ( no matter how daft or contradictory the propaganda) the Call of Duty boys will get on your case.

 

[PhilM]

You're making the assumption that what Putin has perpetrated on the Ukraine is the beginning some sort of long- term conspiracy (theory) for Russia to take back the old USSR,it's Putin, when he ends it'll end. And if we believe the BBC etc he's not got long to live.

Am I? Please feel free to quote where I've said or inferred as so. Back in February I actually stated the opposite - see here.

Personally, I don't think he does. This is all based down to his and his cronies belief in Russian national security as this will come before money and the people.

Making Ukraine a part of the wider Russian sphere may be idealogical to some extent, however it also offers the buffer he desires - one less country in NATO.

This is why Russia under Putin and other like-minded individuals, in which there are many, will always strive to fuel disharmony around his borders.

I said something similar here.

With Ukraine, they couldn't.

It's been mentioned on here about Estonia, Latvia etc, and Russia, as it already has been, will continue with its subterfuge and attempts at destabilisation.

But militarily, they can be challenged. The USSR, with all its might, never attempted to take on NATO. The former is now weaker and the latter is now larger.

Russia will not attempt to invade Estonia, Lativa, Hungary or whatever else, however they will aim to induce a situation that benefits their need for 'security'.

This isn't a new things; it isn't something that's come about from Putin in the last twenty-years. It was around in the 1800s and early 1900s with Nicholas II.

Then with Bolsheviks and the Cold War. God, it goes back to Peter the Great. Rightly or wrongly, it's part of the Russian psyche - not all of course, but culturally.

A nation that slowly pulls away from NATO, the EU or whatnot benefits him/them; political division and a rot from the inside, like Hungary, benefits him/them.

There can be more than one element to Russia's desires rather than the simple, one-point argument you're stuck in. It won't simply end with Putin.

 

[peteblue]

"Once the booster falls away, the remaining "bus" releases several warheads, each of which continues on its own unpowered ballistic trajectory, much like an artillery shell or cannonball. The warhead is encased in a cone-shaped reentry vehicle and is difficult to detect in this phase of flight as there is no rocket exhaust or other emissions to mark its position to defenders. The high speeds of the warheads make them difficult to intercept and allow for little warning, striking targets many thousands of kilometers away from the launch site (and due to the possible locations of the submarines: anywhere in the world) within approximately 30 minutes"
It's terminology,but I'm sure one of our resident Call of Duty players will be along to cut and paste more specific information.

I think you do some on here a bit of a disservice. Personally I have no idea what this Call of Duty comment is, but I did oversee the developments of our nuclear submarines, including the back end programme of Vanguard and all of Astute, together with the naval ships programmes including the type 45 destroyer, aircraft programmes including Typhoon and the F35 and a variety of odds and sods across the military. I’ve given quite a few presentations to the real senior military, MoD, government ministers and defence manufacturers for Rusi and at the Mansion house. Only from a development point of view mind, not operational of which I have no experience. Others on here however, and there are quite a few, have actually been involved in utilising or being part of US or our armed forces and seeing how the kit we provided works in the field/sea/air and understand its capabilities in the actual combat or training environment.

So when people make comment, even throwaways like my 1950’s technology, don't be quite so dismissive, because quite a lot of kit has it’s design and technology from that era and beyond because development timescales for some kit can take well over 20 years to come to fruition (the B52 for instance has been in operation for 70 years and started design in the 1940’s) some kit even today is contained in planes or whatever whose original manufacture is over 50 years old. Don’t believe everything that Russia Today tells you, and don’t fall for the crap of the Russians suddenly making huge technological leaps. The USA is still head and shoulders above them…..

 

[peteblue]

Putin and Zelenskiy...you can't really distinguish can you..

Well one is fighting for the freedom of his country and the other one is a bully attempting a land grab and is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people. I think I can distinguish between the two….

 

[davids]

I think you do some on here a bit of a disservice. Personally I have no idea what this Call of Duty comment is, but I did oversee the developments of our nuclear submarines, including the back end programme of Vanguard and all of Astute, together with the naval ships programmes including the type 45 destroyer, aircraft programmes including Typhoon and the F35 and a variety of odds and sods across the military. I’ve given quite a few presentations to the real senior military, MoD, government ministers and defence manufacturers for Rusi and at the Mansion house. Only from a development point of view mind, not operational of which I have no experience. Others on here however, and there are quite a few, have actually been involved in utilising or being part of US or our armed forces and seeing how the kit we provided works in the field/sea/air and understand its capabilities in the actual combat or training environment.

So when people make comment, even throwaways like my 1950’s technology, don't be quite so dismissive, because quite a lot of kit has it’s design and technology from that era and beyond because development timescales for some kit can take well over 20 years to come to fruition (the B52 for instance has been in operation for 70 years and started design in the 1940’s) some kit even today is contained in planes or whatever whose original manufacture is over 50 years old. Don’t believe everything that Russia Today tells you, and don’t fall for the crap of the Russians suddenly making huge technological leaps. The USA is still head and shoulders above them…..

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

Except the US don't have an in service hypersonic missile and if they did it would be launched from a 1950s era subsonic B52. ? And watch RT? Didn't that get pulled so that only one side of what's going on would be available on the Sky TV guide?

 

[davids]

Am I? Please feel free to quote where I've said or inferred as so. Back in February I actually stated the opposite - see here.

This is why Russia under Putin and other like-minded individuals, in which there are many, will always strive to fuel disharmony around his borders.

I said something similar here.

Russia will not attempt to invade Estonia, Lativa, Hungary or whatever else, however they will aim to induce a situation that benefits their need for 'security'.

This isn't a new things; it isn't something that's come about from Putin in the last twenty-years. It was around in the 1800s and early 1900s with Nicholas II.

Then with Bolsheviks and the Cold War. God, it goes back to Peter the Great. Rightly or wrongly, it's part of the Russian psyche - not all of course, but culturally.

A nation that slowly pulls away from NATO, the EU or whatnot benefits him/them; political division and a rot from the inside, like Hungary, benefits him/them.

There can be more than one element to Russia's desires rather than the simple, one-point argument you're stuck in. It won't simply end with Putin.

Every post you make contradicts the previous one. I can't even be bothered to quote them. Put it this way if you claim to have been in military intelligence,what happened in the Republic...waits to hear it was before my time.?

 

[peteblue]

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

Except the US don't have an in service hypersonic missile and if they did it would be launched from a 1950s era B52. ?

I have not commented on hypersonic missiles nor their launch vehicles, and you have completely missed my point. As others have said, you need to read what is written…I would add, and not confuse or attempt to integrate different posts as if they were one. My point stands, do not dismiss posts or posters when you are unaware of either backgrounds or experience……

 

[peteblue]

Anyway, back to Ukraine and the Russian invasion….

 

[davids]

I have not commented on hypersonic missiles nor their launch vehicles, and you have completely missed my point. As others have said, you need to read what is written…I would add, and not confuse or attempt to integrate different posts as if they were one. My point stands, do not dismiss posts or posters when you are unaware of either backgrounds or experience……

The internet is full of cut and paste fantasy merchants. You posted about Russian archaic weapons,I mentioned that US is lagging far behind in the hypersonic missile race. I read,but I dismiss rubbish propaganda. I had enough of one halfwit private messaging me about his make believe military record,it gets boring after a while.

 

[peteblue]

The internet is full of cut and paste fantasy merchants. You posted about Russian archaic weapons,I mentioned that US is lagging far behind in the hypersonic missile race. I read,but I dismiss rubbish propaganda. I had enough of one halfwit private messaging me about his make believe military record,it gets boring after a while.

Fine, however unless I’m explicitly quoting someone or a report I don’t cut and paste. I merely put across an opinion, right or wrong, based on my own experience and what I see before me. I have merely suggested that you do not dismiss a comment based on your presumptions. You make good comments, as do many on here, there is no absolute right or wrong in this war just ambiguity……

 

[Dylan]

The internet is full of cut and paste fantasy merchants. You posted about Russian archaic weapons,I mentioned that US is lagging far behind in the hypersonic missile race. I read,but I dismiss rubbish propaganda. I had enough of one halfwit private messaging me about his make believe military record,it gets boring after a while.

The US aren't "lagging behind" in hypersonic missile technology. There was never a strategic or tactical need for them. The US inventory is more than capable of delivering warheads to targets very efficiently, pretty much anywhere on the globe, in short order.

Current "hypersonics" (btw, thanks media for the buzzword) aren't actually that good. Sure they go fast, but they certainly aren't maneuverable when they are at the peak speeds. And thanks to physics, they are quite visible within the IR spectrum, and quite vulnerable to being intercepted, regardless of what the propaganda sources will tell you.

 

[PhilM]

Every post you make contradicts the previous one. I can't even be bothered to quote them. Put it this way if you claim to have been in military intelligence,what happened in the Republic...waits to hear it was before my time.?

No, please do. In terms of latter, could you be more specific?

 

[catcherintherye]

Putin and Zelenskiy...you can't really distinguish can you..

I dont remember saying they were indistinguishable. You are straw manning mate.

 

[catcherintherye]

Well one is fighting for the freedom of his country and the other one is a bully attempting a land grab and is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people. I think I can distinguish between the two….

He is building a straw man to something I didnt say.

Of course there are key differences.

However, when leaders start using words like traitors towards serving personnel, its tends to be done by tyrants. I've always found that a worrying step.

 

[FrenchDarrenBent]

He is building a straw man to something I didnt say.

Of course there are key differences.

However, when leaders start using words like traitors towards serving personnel, its tends to be done by tyrants. I've always found that a worrying step.

I agree. The deifying of the last months is getting old. Zelensky should be scrutinized if he is to enter Ukraine in the EU.

Some key similarities: both are the leaders of undemocratic, corrupt and all-around dysfunctional states with a non-existant justice system and with troublesome records on human rights. Zelensky has been using the word traitor before the war as well...

Of course, one is a proven war criminal since 1999, the other one isn't.

Its easier of course to believe in a Star Wars like world, with brave rebels fighting against the evil empire.