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[Mutzo Nutzo]

He is building a straw man to something I didnt say.

Of course there are key differences.

However, when leaders start using words like traitors towards serving personnel, its tends to be done by tyrants. I've always found that a worrying step.

Can you judge a leader under such duress. His country is under attack and therefore some of his decisions surely have to be somewhat autocratic, demonstrative even.

Ukraine has an awful lot of ethnic Russians among their populace, as well as Ukrainians with strong connections to Russia and they over time would likely have filtered into all levels of Ukranian society.

I would hope they haven’t been removed from their positions on a whim but as a result of genuine intelligence.

I will say that great wartime leaders very rarely make suitable peacetime leaders. Is he not simply the man of the moment?

 

[catcherintherye]

Can you judge a leader under such duress. His country is under attack and therefore some of his decisions surely have to be somewhat autocratic, demonstrative even.

Ukraine has an awful lot of ethnic Russians among their populace, as well as Ukrainians with strong connections to Russia and they over time would likely have filtered into all levels of Ukranian society.

I would hope they haven’t been removed from their positions on a whim but as a result of genuine intelligence.

I will say that great wartime leaders very rarely make suitable peacetime leaders. Is he not simply the man of the moment?

I think you can judge, but with certain caveats attached. I still think people show themselves to be who they are though.

Worth noting, Churchill when at war here interned Nazis. Zelensky has armed Nazis. That's quite a critical difference to me.

 

[davids]

Fine, however unless I’m explicitly quoting someone or a report I don’t cut and paste. I merely put across an opinion, right or wrong, based on my own experience and what I see before me. I have merely suggested that you do not dismiss a comment based on your presumptions. You make good comments, as do many on here, there is no absolute right or wrong in this war just ambiguity……

I'd disagree with that,the only right is for the US and their Nato allies to use their obvious influence to get a ceasefire asap. Continuing to stoke the flames by supplying arms that can only lead to continuing bloodshed if not an escalation to something far worse is obscene in the extreme. Calling for a war to continue from the comfort of a sofa while the elderly, women and children cower in air raid shelters?

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I think you can judge, but with certain caveats attached. I still think people show themselves to be who they are though.

Worth noting, Churchill when at war here interned Nazis. Zelensky has armed Nazis. That's quite a critical difference to me.

I take it you’re referring to the Azov Batallion?

Yes I’d agree they had/have direct extreme right-wing ideals, but strange times call for strange bedfellows. In a peacetime environment and with Ukraine entering the EU I would expect to see more control over such views.

Right wing extremism is not simply limited to Ukraine but exists throughout Europe. France very nearly had a nazi princess running the show! Nazis are even rife within Russia itself. In reality white Nationalism exists and is on the rise everywhere, therefore I think it’s a tad unwise to single out Ukraine.

At a time of national crisis Ukraine needed soldiers who would fight for their country, so for me personally I’m not going to stand in judgement of Zelensky. I would however reserve that judgement to when the peace has been won and a new Ukraine can be built from the ashes. Only then can we really judge the political leadership of Ukraine.

 

[davids]

No, please do. In terms of latter, could you be more specific?

How important were British intelligence operations in the IRA’s decision to end its campaign? - Queen's Policy Engagement

Guest contributor Dr Thomas Leahy from Cardiff University takes a look at his new book which argues that the intelligence war did not force the IRA into the peace process.

qpol.qub.ac.uk

Interesting read if you find the time,there is a huge difference between sitting behind a desk compared to being there.

 

[davids]

The US aren't "lagging behind" in hypersonic missile technology. There was never a strategic or tactical need for them. The US inventory is more than capable of delivering warheads to targets very efficiently, pretty much anywhere on the globe, in short order.

Current "hypersonics" (btw, thanks media for the buzzword) aren't actually that good. Sure they go fast, but they certainly aren't maneuverable when they are at the peak speeds. And thanks to physics, they are quite visible within the IR spectrum, and quite vulnerable to being intercepted, regardless of what the propaganda sources will tell you.

That depends on who's propaganda you read and find believable. Lots of US publications stating the US are lagging behind and that their defence systems are vulnerable to to the hypersonic missiles both China and Russia have in service. But then they could both just be showing computer mock ups and deep fake video,who knows...until maybe it's too late.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Zelensky has armed Nazis.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Guys do not watch

 

[PhilM]

How important were British intelligence operations in the IRA’s decision to end its campaign? - Queen's Policy Engagement

Guest contributor Dr Thomas Leahy from Cardiff University takes a look at his new book which argues that the intelligence war did not force the IRA into the peace process.

qpol.qub.ac.uk

Interesting read if you find the time,there is a huge difference between sitting behind a desk compared to being there.

I'll happily ready, so thank you for the recommendation. Still, even reading from the blurb, it appears to me that incorrect assumptions are made.

Firstly, the intelligence war was not the only factor that helped lead to success, yet it did play a significant part in the long-term outcomes we currently have.

In 1971-72 during Demetrius and Motorman, the British Army tried to forcibly shackle the PIRA and INLA, and it failed. This induced a huge mentality shift.

After that, the plan was adapted to not stop and remove the PIRA outright, like the Dr is proposing, but rather than to slowly but surely induce a status quo.

This is where it comes back to destabilisation. Out of places like Castlereagh, Aldergrove and Bessbrook to name a few, the plan was to weaken and undermine.

All significant paramilitary members, from both sides, could have been rounded up by the mid to late 80s, but would that have worked? No.

Could every attack have been stopped? No, but genuinely many could have been stopped if that was the desire strategy from within the government.

That however would have been counter-productive in terms of the long-term strategy, which was to infiltrate and cause such distrust that it tore itself apart.

This would have highlighted the strength of HUMNIT assets and the level of technological infiltration, by the likes of the FRU, Det, NIR/5th AAC, E4A et al.

Over time, the level of distrust within the community played a huge part. Look at the likes of the CIRA, IRLA and IRM now and how fractious they are.

While this makes it much harder to infiltrate, it has limited their ability to run a co-ordinated campaign and has induced a long-held state we see today.

This comes back to the long-term strategy. We've came off topic - this is about Ukraine - but this will be the MO for the Russian intelligence services, and others.

It isn't a simple world of everything looking at it seems. Who did the eventual stalemate benefit - the British or the PIRA?

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I'd disagree with that,the only right is for the US and their Nato allies to use their obvious influence to get a ceasefire asap. Continuing to stoke the flames by supplying arms that can only lead to continuing bloodshed if not an escalation to something far worse is obscene in the extreme. Calling for a war to continue from the comfort of a sofa while the elderly, women and children cower in air raid shelters?

You are totally ignoring the fact that Putin does not want a ceasefire, hence the need to arm the Ukes.
It is totally fantastical to think that Biden (or anyone else) could some how have appealed to Putins better nature and stopped this. Arming the Ukes is the only way to prevent a sovereign nation being totally swallowed up by a rampant, raping and pillaging army.

And no one is calling for the war to continue in some sort of perverse fashion, it is the only way to stop Putin in his tracks (as we are seeing). You seem to have this weird idea that we enjoy it, that we should let Putin just carry on. Very strange.

Awaits yawn emoji as you know I am right.

 

[davids]

I'll happily ready, so thank you for the recommendation. Still, even reading from the blurb, it appears to me that incorrect assumptions are made.

Firstly, the intelligence war was not the only factor that helped lead to success, yet it did play a significant part in the long-term outcomes we currently have.

In 1971-72 during Demetrius and Motorman, the British Army tried to forcibly shackle the PIRA and INLA, and it failed. This induced a huge mentality shift.

After that, the plan was adapted to not stop and remove the PIRA outright, like the Dr is proposing, but rather than to slowly but surely induce a status quo.

This is where it comes back to destabilisation. Out of places like Castlereagh, Aldergrove and Bessbrook to name a few, the plan was to weaken and undermine.

All significant paramilitary members, from both sides, could have been rounded up by the mid to late 80s, but would that have worked? No.

Could every attack have been stopped? No, but genuinely many could have been stopped if that was the desire strategy from within the government.

That however would have been counter-productive in terms of the long-term strategy, which was to infiltrate and cause such distrust that it tore itself apart.

This would have highlighted the strength of HUMNIT assets and the level of technological infiltration, by the likes of the FRU, Det, NIR/5th AAC, E4A et al.

Over time, the level of distrust within the community played a huge part. Look at the likes of the CIRA, IRLA and IRM now and how fractious they are.

While this makes it much harder to infiltrate, it has limited their ability to run a co-ordinated campaign and has induced a long-held state we see today.

This comes back to the long-term strategy. We've came off topic - this is about Ukraine - but this will be the MO for the Russian intelligence services, and others.

It isn't a simple world of everything looking at it seems.

Yet another in house acronym filled load of gibberish. But back to the Ukraine today. Many current US military strategists stating that the expected outcome is that Russia annexe a large part of the Donbass and are then drained by policing a hugely extended border against sporadic attacks from Ukrainian loyalists from without and within. So given that is becoming more and more the consensus,why would the US and their Nato allies continue to send longer and longer range missiles designed to continue the war and thus the killing of innocent civilians?

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Yet another in house acronym filled load of gibberish. But back to the Ukraine today. Many current US military strategists stating that the expected outcome is that Russia annexe a large part of the Donbass and are then drained by policing a hugely extended border against sporadic attacks from Ukrainian loyalists from without and within. So given that is becoming more and more the consensus,why would the US and their Nato allies continue to send longer and longer range missiles designed to continue the war and thus the killing of innocent civilians?

Erm....because if they didn't keep arming the Ukes, Putin would not stop at the Dombass ffs. It is very very simple.

 

[PhilM]

Yet another in house acronym filled load of gibberish. But back to the Ukraine today. Many current US military strategists stating that the expected outcome is that Russia annexe a large part of the Donbass and are then drained by policing a hugely extended border against sporadic attacks from Ukrainian loyalists from without and within. So given that is becoming more and more the consensus,why would the US and their Nato allies continue to send longer and longer range missiles designed to continue the war and thus the killing of innocent civilians?

If you want to state a specific acronym, I’ll happily explain further.

 

[FrenchDarrenBent]

 

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