This American talk

[Pomp]

It is about progression, Donovan and Dempsey could be the spark to make us a more attractive proposition, in a better footballing position to youngsters, and those of all ages of course. How many players say that they want to move to a club that is in Europe? Would you advocate buying both of these players if it was to get us into europe, higher in the league and help us become more of a draw to even more talented youngsters than the ones you are advocating spending £17m on?

If we could get Dempsey for £5m plus Coleman I'd be well up for it. Donovan I can't see costing that much regardless. Moyes simply won't want Jelavic only with Vellios and Anichebe as cover, or Fellaini as a desperate measure. He can sign as many Vellios' or Juniors as he likes Zatara but he won't put them in the team.

Would you be up for us signing Jack Rodwell for £12m, because he could be worth £25m in a few years? I think you're being too black and white.

As for Ginola/Gasciogne/Weir/Gough - Smith had no money - at all! Dempsey is hardly past it just because he's 29. He'd suit Everton big time.

 

[Allezfan]

It is about progression, Donovan and Dempsey could be the spark to make us a more attractive proposition, in a better footballing position to youngsters, and those of all ages of course. How many players say that they want to move to a club that is in Europe? Would you advocate buying both of these players if it was to get us into europe, higher in the league and help us become more of a draw to even more talented youngsters than the ones you are advocating spending £17m on?

If we don't have any money we can be the biggest draw in the world and we still won't get anyone and two players aren't going to get us 4th, they can't even guarentee us getting 7th (and when players say europe lets face it they don't mean the europa).

In two years time when we need a new right winger because Donovan is crocked we might not have another Rodwell to sell for the 15million we'll need. Where as if we buy a player who'll peak then, we won't need a new incoming and can hopefully keep fellaini, baines and jelavic.

 

[D410]

Dempsy for me - bring him now and hope we find a loan for the right wing.

 

[pfim]

If you want a headache, read the first 6 pages of this thread. My lord.

Donovan-sure, if the price is low.

Dempsey-not happening, we have a good idea what the price is and we don't have that money.

Perhaps we could sign LeBron James out of spite for Zatara.

 

[Zatara]

Zatara is moaning about us potentially having to sell Fellaini in a few years time, yet he is advocating a policy of buying young players and then selling them at a profit as soon as they reach their peak, just so we can then buy another young player and start the process all over again, a process which will get us absolutely nowhere.

We have already invested enough in young players to sell them later on and then re-invest the cash, the sale of Fellaini once he reaches his peak is what Zatara's transfer policy is based on.

As we have more than enough players who could be sold for big money, and given the massive new increase in revenue that is on its way, we need to add some quality senior players which will make a difference right now, rather than solely focusing on this treading water policy, which ultimately results in us selling our players as soon as they reach their peak.

IF WE NEED TO SELL......right now we dont 'need' to sell Fellaini do we ?

However if we had sold cahill 2 years ago for a princely sum or arteta the year before he went to arsenal then we'd have been laughing....sell players at their highest point just as they are about to go downhill....

Fellaini will not go downhill anytime soon.

 

[mr kearns]

I love Dempsey's game, but he's the type that "gets his," he's a quality player but doesn't have a massive impact on his team. When he's not on and scoring, he's not playing well. Not a terrible distributor but there are better options.

Donovan's all about making the guys around him better, he's got great talent but when the spotlight's off him he loves being a cog in the machine. He makes us better...but you all know this.

 

[Zatara]

Nobody is advocating solely buying players over 30. But there is no way on planet earth that investing in a top quality player like Donovan would see us go over the edge. This is especially the case given how many players we already have who can be sold at a large profit, and the massive increase in revenue we will be receiving in the not too distant future.

Bill Kenwright has done a really good job on people. He made a 5million pound loss for 4 or 5 years knowing full well that he would be able to pay it back with the sale of a few assets, the bank new this as well, otherwise they wouldn't have authorised the overdraft.

The banks must love us, they know we are good for making a few quid. And with the extra new revenue on its way, and with numerous playing assets that could be sold at a huge profit, I wouldn't even be surprised if we got our hands on yet another overdraft.

We really aren't in half as bad a situation as people make out, but we would have been had we not been able to pay the bank back their cash, but everyone knew that we were in a position to pay them back, we are still in a position to pay them back another 20million pound right now if we were forced to.

Which players could we sell at a large profit?

Baines -- Fellaini......maybe Jelavic ?

Beyond that I cant think of anyone mate ??

 

[Zatara]

Dempsey and Donovan for Everton? Hell Ye!
Both quality players who would improve our sqaud! Why would'nt anyone want these 2 players? There age is not a problem, ask fergie does he think age is a problem going for RVP!
Oh so there American,so what,they are quality proven players!


Some propper whoppers just attention seeking on here still! Zatara im looking at you!

You're comparing Man Utd to Everton there mate......they are about to float shares and bring in millions of investment...

WE cant even make a profit every year unless we sell top players.

 

[jtl60]

I love Dempsey's game, but he's the type that "gets his," he's a quality player but doesn't have a massive impact on his team. When he's not on and scoring, he's not playing well. Not a terrible distributor but there are better options.

Donovan's all about making the guys around him better, he's got great talent but when the spotlight's off him he loves being a cog in the machine. He makes us better...but you all know this.

I'd be happy with either although in all fairness £5m for Dempsey who has one year on his deal sounds a lot of dosh, he's always been good but only last season did he really elevate himself into the player people talk about now.

If it was £5m and you could have either I'd pick Donavan without hesitation

 

[Zatara]

What happens if we have nobody to sell that will bring in enough money to sign 2-3 players?

Why will we have a increase in revenue?

Thats right--Heres the problem -- if we sign players 27+ then we rely on the youth team to bring in saleable assets -- like a Rooney...

Because Selling a Rodwell every summer wont be enough to bring in the 3 players a season at age of 27+ needed to replace the oldies.

This is a recipe for disaster every way you look at it.

 

[Animal Farm]

Which players could we sell at a large profit?

Baines -- Fellaini......maybe Jelavic ?

Beyond that I cant think of anyone mate ??

Yeah, other than the THREE PLAYERS that you refer to, there's absolutely nobody else who could be sold at a profit

But to be serious, Anichebe will bring in a similar profit to Fellaini if he was sold at 4.5 million pound. The sales of other academy players like Barkley and Garbutt could potentially bring us far more profit than the sale of Fellaini would.

I've already referred to a load of other players who could also be sold, it's in a post a few pages back, you can take a look at it if you want.

 

[Brennan]

If Donovan cost £5m then over the course of a three year contract he would more than pay for himself as a result of our higher league placings from him being in the team. The prize money now stands at more than £1.5m per league place by my reckoning and you can bet he'd do enough to move us up a place in the league.

 

[Animal Farm]

IF WE NEED TO SELL......right now we dont 'need' to sell Fellaini do we ?

However if we had sold cahill 2 years ago for a princely sum or arteta the year before he went to arsenal then we'd have been laughing....sell players at their highest point just as they are about to go downhill....

Fellaini will not go downhill anytime soon.

You're saying that we need to be selling anyone over the age of 27, such a policy would get us nowhere.

Club's don't pay big money for players who are just about to go downhill. They pay big money for players who are near their peak, and who have at least a few years left in them, or for players with lots of potential like Rodwell etc.

 

[Zatara]

Yeah, other than the THREE PLAYERS that you refer to, there's absolutely nobody else who could be sold at a profit

But to be serious, Anichebe will bring in a similar profit to Fellaini if he was sold at 4.5 million pound. The sales of other academy players like Barkley and Garbutt could potentially bring us far more profit than the sale of Fellaini would.

I've already referred to a load of other players who could also be sold, it's in a post a few pages back, you can take a look at it if you want.

Firstly my apologies as I've been away and just posted a reply to something you'd already replied to.

However,

1 -- Yes 3 players who we could sell for a LARGE profit.

2 -- If Everton sold Anichebe for ANYTHING up to 4.5 mil (even 500k ) it would be a profit as he came through the youth team....the important thing to note is that if we HAVE TO sign 3 players to replace some golden oldies such as Hibbert / Osman / Neville / Distin OR EVEN Jagielka or Heitinga in a few years -- HE being sold would probably allow us to buy what ??? Also we would have to use his wages on another player -- wages to not only replace him BUT ANOTHER SIGNING ??!! IMPOSSIBLE

3 -- Selling Fellaini is not only about re-investing the funds....we would have to sign another potential Fellaini who could come into the side and become a fixture (as Fellaini has done) he was a signing which ticked both boxes for ability and resale potential -- RFUS has already made this statement.

4 -- Yes, nothing wrong with selling Barkley and Garbutt -- BEFORE I GET LYNCHED I would ONLY sell players like this + Fellaini etc once they hit their peak and the management can see they would be on the downward slope.

5 -- Jelavic needs another season minimum before we could make a big enough wedge on him + Heitinga is already being touted at the same price we paid for him...

So, I'd say 3 players....currently.



EDIT -- Also I remember you mentioning Jagielka, we could probably make a couple of mil profit maximum on him looking at what arsenal have offered in the past....

 

[Zatara]

You're saying that we need to be selling anyone over the age of 27, such a policy would get us nowhere.

Club's don't pay big money for players who are just about to go downhill. They pay big money for players who are near their peak, and who have at least a few years left in them, or for players with lots of potential like Rodwell etc.

IF Arsenal put RVP up for sale a year ago at the age of 28 how much would he have gone for ?

Theres many examples I'm sure of players at 27 or 28 going for huge amounts......


EDIT -- Berbatov went to UTD at 27.....