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[Pomp]

we need a director of football type at the club like you zatara

 

[Animal Farm]

Firstly my apologies as I've been away and just posted a reply to something you'd already replied to.

However,

1 -- Yes 3 players who we could sell for a LARGE profit.

2 -- If Everton sold Anichebe for ANYTHING up to 4.5 mil (even 500k ) it would be a profit as he came through the youth team....the important thing to note is that if we HAVE TO sign 3 players to replace some golden oldies such as Hibbert / Osman / Neville / Distin OR EVEN Jagielka or Heitinga in a few years -- HE being sold would probably allow us to buy what ??? Also we would have to use his wages on another player -- wages to not only replace him BUT ANOTHER SIGNING ??!! IMPOSSIBLE

3 -- Selling Fellaini is not only about re-investing the funds....we would have to sign another potential Fellaini who could come into the side and become a fixture (as Fellaini has done) he was a signing which ticked both boxes for ability and resale potential -- RFUS has already made this statement.

4 -- Yes, nothing wrong with selling Barkley and Garbutt -- BEFORE I GET LYNCHED I would ONLY sell players like this + Fellaini etc once they hit their peak and the management can see they would be on the downward slope.

5 -- Jelavic needs another season minimum before we could make a big enough wedge on him + Heitinga is already being touted at the same price we paid for him...

So, I'd say 3 players....currently.



EDIT -- Also I remember you mentioning Jagielka, we could probably make a couple of mil profit maximum on him looking at what arsenal have offered in the past....

So to conclude, there are numerous players who could be sold at a profit.

You are totally ignoring the fact that spending money on younger, unproven players can also lead to us making a similar loss to what Donovan would cost, a la Bilyaletdinov.

You are also ignoring the fact that our revenue will be dramatically increased before Donovan finishes his career.

Most people have agreed that you need a balance between experience, proven quality, youth and potential. But the notion of selling every player over 27 is hairbrained to put it politely.

 

[Pomp]

I totally agree about the selling players before they go 'downhill'. You have to take ages into consideration sometimess. Cahill probably could have been sold for £5-8m to some European 'giant' a few years ago. Saha to Besiktas for £8m as was mentioned, which Moyes ruled out but admitted, is another case in point. Moyes needs to be more ruthless sometimes.

However I would love to see Dempsey come in as well as Donovan. I didn't realise Dempsey was in the last year of his contract, and so he should not cost anything like £10m. More like £6m or £7m max.

 

[Zatara]

we need a director of football type at the club like you zatara

I'm too expensive for Everton mate.....in all seriousness though and I'm not sure if or even how we do this but we should have a % from somewhere set aside for outstanding talent....under 18s or something similar.

I know we've signed Green at 15 for potentially big money -- but a few others whove so far pretty much failed and those who we could even see bear fruit (Vellios+ Coleman+Garbutt)...

The success rate must be tiny but i do wonder why we havent gone out and cleaned out one of the England youth sides or similar (no-one else really does it either i suppose)....

 

[Animal Farm]

IF Arsenal put RVP up for sale a year ago at the age of 28 how much would he have gone for ?

Theres many examples I'm sure of players at 27 or 28 going for huge amounts......


EDIT -- Berbatov went to UTD at 27.....

That's because players aged 27 are generally at their peak, you silly billy. They have a good 4 years left in them before they start to decline.

Yes their value decreases with age, but the fact that Arsenal want to keep RVP speaks volumes. They would rather keep RVP then sell him for pure coin to a club that want to buy a player AT HIS PEAK!

You silly billy.

 

[Goat]

I totally agree about the selling players before they go 'downhill'. You have to take ages into consideration sometimess. Cahill probably could have been sold for £5-8m to some European 'giant' a few years ago. Saha to Besiktas for £8m as was mentioned, which Moyes ruled out but admitted, is another case in point. Moyes needs to be more ruthless sometimes.

However I would love to see Dempsey come in as well as Donovan. I didn't realise Dempsey was in the last year of his contract, and so he should not cost anything like £10m. More like £6m or £7m max.

If you think Moist or Kenwrong turned down 8m for Saha, your quite mental.

 

[Pomp]

Everton have always seemed to bring in promising youngsters from the North West area. Whatever we think about the board, that area of the club is exceptional. Hope we don't get complacent but we always seem to buy or bring through promising youngsters from a young age.

Having a successful period, through purchasing the likes of Dempsey and Donovan, could inspire that part of the club even more for years to come.

 

[Zatara]

So to conclude, there are numerous players who could be sold at a profit.

You are totally ignoring the fact that spending money on younger, unproven players can also lead to us making a similar loss to what Donovan would cost, a la Bilyaletdinov.

You are also ignoring the fact that our revenue will be dramatically increased before Donovan finishes his career.

Most people have agreed that you need a balance between experience, proven quality, youth and potential. But the notion of selling every player over 27 is hairbrained to put it politely.

So thats what Neville is doing here then? Of course there are exceptions with players, those who we must keep for their experience and leadership qualities though generally these are not usually the big money players.

If you look back at my initial posts I highlighted that if we sign 2 top youth prospects when we make a big money sale -- one may well turn out to be a star and the other a squad player -- if we need money then it is our choice to sell whichever one we need to sell to make enough cash to cover this and possibly another position.

I am bewildered at your comment regarding TV revenue, historically how has this helped Everton at all ?

 

[Zatara]

So to conclude, there are numerous players who could be sold at a profit.

You are totally ignoring the fact that spending money on younger, unproven players can also lead to us making a similar loss to what Donovan would cost, a la Bilyaletdinov.

You are also ignoring the fact that our revenue will be dramatically increased before Donovan finishes his career.

Most people have agreed that you need a balance between experience, proven quality, youth and potential. But the notion of selling every player over 27 is hairbrained to put it politely.

By the way please do explain how selling ANY ONE of the players you mention today would enable us to sign 2 decent replacements with the money ? Other than the 3 i highlighted.....

 

[Zatara]

I totally agree about the selling players before they go 'downhill'. You have to take ages into consideration sometimess. Cahill probably could have been sold for £5-8m to some European 'giant' a few years ago. Saha to Besiktas for £8m as was mentioned, which Moyes ruled out but admitted, is another case in point. Moyes needs to be more ruthless sometimes.

However I would love to see Dempsey come in as well as Donovan. I didn't realise Dempsey was in the last year of his contract, and so he should not cost anything like £10m. More like £6m or £7m max.

Spot on....my age of 27 was an example of course....

 

[Pomp]

If you think Moist or Kenwrong turned down 8m for Saha, your quite mental.

Ok mate I'm mental. It may not have been £8m. It was reported as 9.4m euros. This was 2009. So it's not exactly unbelievable, Saha is a well-known name even now.

“Louis is someone we had a big bid for,â€￾ admitted the Everton boss.

“But he didn't want to go and we didn't want to sell.

“It's great news Louis wants to stay.â€￾

Why would he say big bid if it wasn't? It was obviously a significant bid worth a few million at least.

Instead of selling and being ruthless and confident, we persisted with a player who could not even be bothered to run for another few seasons.

 

[Zatara]

If you think Moist or Kenwrong turned down 8m for Saha, your quite mental.

As the OP I'm going to allow it as it suits my argument

 

[Animal Farm]

So thats what Neville is doing here then? Of course there are exceptions with players, those who we must keep for their experience and leadership qualities though generally these are not usually the big money players.

If you look back at my initial posts I highlighted that if we sign 2 top youth prospects when we make a big money sale -- one may well turn out to be a star and the other a squad player -- if we need money then it is our choice to sell whichever one we need to sell to make enough cash to cover this and possibly another position.

I am bewildered at your comment regarding TV revenue, historically how has this helped Everton at all ?

Surely you are just trolling now.

It's the TV money that allows us to compete in the Premier League, without it we just would not be able to.

And the point I'm making, is that the 5 or 6 million pound loss involved in signing someone like Donovan will be more than met by the increase in revenue from the TV deal.

 

[Bigmaclad]

meow.

 

[Zatara]

Surely you are just trolling now.

It's the TV money that allows us to compete in the Premier League, without it we just would not be able to.

And the point I'm making, is that the 5 or 6 million pound loss involved in signing someone like Donovan will be more than met by the increase in revenue from the TV deal.

Every club will have the same increase and wages will increase almost immediately as they have done historically.

We will have to spend this new found wealth to keep up with the other teams.....