This American talk

[Animal Farm]

Is there another board in the Premier League who have invested £0 in the football club they own/run?

I don't know.

But when you say 'invested', you really mean lending the club cash. There are very few chairmen/major shareholders who have just given their club cash for free.

 

[Animal Farm]

In 3+ years only Fellaini of those will be able to be sold for a big fee.

And I'd rather have Fellaini than Donovan or Dempsey.

But I thought the rationale behind buying someone like Fellaini was to eventually sell him so that you can re-invest the cash? Isn't that what people are attempting to advocate here?

Most of those players will have left Everton by the time Donovan reaches 34, and I will be surprised if any of them are sold without making a profit on them. Those who are sold will go for a profit, IMO.

 

[RFUS]

But I thought the rationale behind buying someone like Fellaini was to eventually sell him so that you can re-invest the cash? Isn't that what people are attempting to advocate here?

Most of those players will have left Everton by the time Donovan reaches 34, and I will be surprised if any of them are sold without making a profit on them. Those who are sold will go for a profit, IMO.

No, that isn't why you buy him. But it's a safety net or even a bonus.

It doesn't have to be one or the other; buying purely for sell on value or purely for immediate performance. Fellaini ticks both boxes, he's probably our best player but he's also worth a lot of money.

Dempsey and Donovan would tick one box. There are players out there who could make an impact for us but also have the potential of resale value.

 

[Del]

I don't know.

But when you say 'invested', you really mean lending the club cash. There are very few chairmen/major shareholders who have just given their club cash for free.

So why dont the dick heads who own our club lend the money to Everton at 0% intrest then

 

[Animal Farm]

No, that isn't why you buy him. But it's a safety net or even a bonus.

It doesn't have to be one or the other; buying purely for sell on value or purely for immediate performance. Fellaini ticks both boxes, he's probably our best player but he's also worth a lot of money.

Dempsey and Donovan would tick one box. There are players out there who could make an impact for us but also have the potential of resale value.

I very much agree that it doesn't have to be one or the other, and that we need a mixture of both. I also can see how you say Fellaini ticked two boxes whilst Donovan only ticks one.

But how many boxes did Bilyaletdinov tick? Zero IMO, because his sell on value represented a loss that was similar to the loss we will be talking about through not being able to sell Donovan at the end of his career. That's the risk with this strategy, it CAN go horribly wrong.

It's all about balance, and I think we are currently at a point were we have enough players who have re-sale value,and that we need to invest in a seasoned professional who we know can come in and do the job that we want him to.

 

[ChicagoToffee]

This has massive popcorn potential lids. Keep slinging mud.

 

[RFUS]

I very much agree that it doesn't have to be one or the other, and that we need a mixture of both. I also can see how you say Fellaini ticked two boxes whilst Donovan only ticks one.

But how many boxes did Bilyaletdinov tick? Zero IMO, because his sell on value represented a loss that was similar to the loss we will be talking about through not being able to sell Donovan at the end of his career. That's the risk with this strategy, it CAN go horribly wrong.

It's all about balance, and I think we are currently at a point when we have enough players who have re-sale value,and that we need to invest in a seasoned professional who we know can come in and do the job that we want him to.

I think we already did mate. We just spent £4.5m on Pienaar.

If it's true that we've only got £6m to spend then we have to spend it one someone with resale value, because we've just lost a 21 year old who's been one of our key assets (hate that term, admittedly) for years.

 

[Animal Farm]

So why dont the dick heads who own our club lend the money to Everton at 0% intrest then

I don't know.

 

[Del]

I don't know.

Would it not make more sense for the owners to lend the club there own money at 0% intrest than to borrow it from other sources and pay back 1-2m a year in intrest

What if people who ran/owned the club did lend Everton money but insisted on the club paying it back with intrest,Would you think that was wrong?

 

[Animal Farm]

I think we already did mate. We just spent £4.5m on Pienaar.

After selling him for 3 million less than 18 months ago, although I concede that it still represents a 4.5 million pound investment in an ageing player, an investment which almost everyone agreed with mind.

I just think there is more than enough scope for a similar player with a similar price tag. I think our current assets and future revenues make this more than just possible.

 

[Animal Farm]

Would it not make more sense for the owners to lend the club there own money at 0% intrest than to borrow it from other sources and pay back 1-2m a year in intrest

What if people who ran/owned the club did lend Everton money but insisted on the club paying it back with intrest,Would you think that was wrong?

I think it's already happened to be honest mate, with this Vibrac loan thing.

All I know is that debt and borrowing our part and parcel of football, and that our debt is actually quite small by premier league standards.

But most clubs are lent money by their chairmen/major shareholders with interest, very few lend or give money for free.

 

[dixie7]

My word.

Jelavic.
Fellaini.
Baines.
Heitinga.
Jagileka. (All for significant money).

Then you have other players like Anichebe, Coleman and Vellios who would also make a profit following their sales.

I've deliberately left out the likes of Barkley and Garbutt because they may turn out to be crap.

Please remember that selling off players in order to gain a profit, just so we can do the exact same thing 4 years later is what is being advocated by some on here.

cant see hetinga signing a new contract he only has 2 years left.
fellaini, wont go for a lot more then we bought him for not if rodwell was only 12m
baines wont leave now if he said no to united he wont leave for anyone
and jags is now 30
jelavic depends how many goals he can score in a full season

 

[RFUS]

After selling him for 3 million less than 18 months ago, although I concede that it still represents a 4.5 million pound investment in an ageing player, an investment which almost everyone agreed with mind.

I just think there is more than enough scope for a similar player with a similar price tag. I think our current assets and future revenues make this more than just possible.

Listen mate, I'd definitely go for Donovan for a few million.

I just can't advocate the ludicrous amounts touted for Dempsey, or us spending ALL of our potentially measly budget on a 30 year old.

 

[Jacko93]

For how long 2-3 seasons ?

Whats wrong with signing younger players....grooming them and integrating them -- then selling them and buying 2 more young players with the inflated fee we would receive...

then sell one or both of those 2 and sign 4 -- and the cycle starts again. It's the only way Everton Football Club makes money -- player trading.

Player trading shouldnt be signing 2 players who have 2-3 seasons left in them.

It is about progression, Donovan and Dempsey could be the spark to make us a more attractive proposition, in a better footballing position to youngsters, and those of all ages of course. How many players say that they want to move to a club that is in Europe? Would you advocate buying both of these players if it was to get us into europe, higher in the league and help us become more of a draw to even more talented youngsters than the ones you are advocating spending £17m on?

This being said though, £9m for Dempsey is FAR too much, as is the £8m for Donovan and I'm not sure it would take that much to get them, but ho hum.

 

[badger blue]

donovan,id say yes to but dempsey?..............his head is already up his arse.........think its called a*field!!