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[Spadge Vernacular]

It is, and I especially like to hear you and the others bang on about unity now. It’s hilarious, please keep going.

Eh! Labour have maintained my vote even though I had concerns which were proved to be correct

I spoke about my concerns and fears that the party was split and in danger..

 

[tsubaki]

Eh! Labour have maintained my vote even though I had concerns which were proved to be correct

I spoke about my concerns and fears that the party was split and in danger..

... and blamed only one side

 

[davek]

Yvette Cooper? She was rubbish, as shown by her performance before becoming a leadership candidate, during it and since. Did she ever take in those refugees?

Burnham was better (in that at least he gave the impression that he recognised something was wrong) but wasn’t decisive enough and made the mistake of using the PLP to lead his campaign rather than people who knew what they were doing.

What a great leader she'd have been:

Voted for the Iraq War
Voted against inquiries about the Iraq War
Voted for mass surveillance
Abstained on Tory Welfare Reform and Work bill

A real socialist, and no mistake.

 

[shagpuss]

Far left entryists have been trying to get a grip of Labour in the UK since the 1920's and 30's. During Kinnocks time in the 80's, Corbyn and Lansman were active participants in 'Militants' attempts to derail the Labour campaign, which is kind of ironic given Momentum's latest attempts/releases.

Andrew Murray, Seumas Milne with their comrade, Steve Howell, where all members of Straight Left, the pro-Soviet arm of the Communist Party of Great Britain. These, with Lansman and Corbyn are fundamental pillars of Momentum, who, like 'Militant' I expect to see purged from the party until the next entryist attempt to take over Labour - if our party still exists. You have to wonder whether with these sorts that this is part of their aims.

The infighting will continue as long as entryists are allowed into the party.

"Militant" Labour did a lot of good in Liverpool in the 1980s. If the rest of the Labour Party and trade unions has stood up to Thatcher like they and the miners did, Britain might be a much better place now.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

What a great leader she'd have been:

Voted for the Iraq War
Voted against inquiries about the Iraq War
Voted for mass surveillance
Abstained on Tory Welfare Reform and Work bill

A real socialist, and no mistake.

A left leaning establishment lackey. Is a far as I will go.

 

[shagpuss]

I also think we have to challenge the assumption that Thatcher won because of Kinnocks decision to turf out the Militant. That was his decision, he owns it. If it cost them an election (I don't believe it did) thats on him. I would also add, I have seen no evidence that Corbyn was in any way involved with the Militant.

Corbyn was almost certainly sympathetic to Militant. Similar to Tony Benn, Dennis Skinner and Eric Heffer. A totally legitimate position to take too.

 

[shagpuss]

2017? We lost against the worst Tory party in memory.



I dont see any arrogance to be honest. I saw loads in momentum that they were right and "capitalism will fail". I see the front bench now as a government in waiting. Potentially.






You can only win an election from the centre ground though (or perception of).

Corbyn shifted the perception of what's possible. He brought anti-austerity, renationalisation and deindustrialisation back into the mainstream.

Survey after survey have shown that the British public, including Tory voters, support public ownership of strategic industries. We can be quite left-wing economically.

Corbyn smashed the cosy Centrist club in politics and showed us that a better future is possible. For that he had to be vilified and destroyed.

 

[shagpuss]

I suppose appearances like this from McDonnell didn't help where the crowd with his communist friends chanting "Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin". A world away from the avaerage man or woman on the street.

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Aneurin Bevan, the greatest political figure of the 20th Century, was happy to call himself a Marxist.
I don't care what label people use: socialist, Marxist, communist or social democrat. As long as they want a fairer and more humane society, then that's good enough for me.

 

[shagpuss]

And thats not a good enough reason for such high office. The moment Corbyn realised he didn't have the support of his colleagues he should have stood down. You can't run a party with such a limited base.

Corbyn won in 2015 and 2016 with thumping madates from the membership and endorsements from most major unions. It was the MPs who were out of step with the wider labour movement, not Corbyn. My local CLP submitted a motion of no confidence in Angela Eagle. She would have been gone but for Brickgate!

 

[davek]

A left leaning establishment lackey. Is a far as I will go.

I'm not sure where the left leaning bit comes in. A hand wringing liberal careerist more like.

 

[shagpuss]

I'm not sure where the left leaning bit comes in. A hand wringing liberal careerist more like.

This for me too, Dave. She just comes across as boring and insipid. Her husband is worse but she seems more suited to the Lib Dems.

 

[davek]

This for me too, Dave. She just comes across as boring and insipid. Her husband is worse but she seems more suited to the Lib Dems.

The likes of her should have been swept out of the LP, sadly they'll cling on for years to come.

If they do though they'll have to turn themselves inside out and cast off the market ideology they worship. That game is done for a long time to come. They'll need to recast themselves as collectivists, committed to increasing state expendidture and control.

 

[Black Belt Jones]

"Militant" Labour did a lot of good in Liverpool in the 1980s. If the rest of the Labour Party and trade unions has stood up to Thatcher like they and the miners did, Britain might be a much better place now.

Ever hear the theory that Hatton and Sargill were MI5 plants, shagpuss? It's admittedly far-fetched, but based on the fact that Thatcher could not have chosen two better enemies to have. Idiots of such unbelievable usefulness to the Tory agenda that it seems they must have been expressly invented for that purpose.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I'm not sure where the left leaning bit comes in. A hand wringing liberal careerist more like.

Ok I'm in the mood to compromise, left leaning when it actually dose not matter. Get what your saying about Cooper, the sickly named Blair middle way. As we all know the trouble with Blair, his politics cost many hundreds of thousands their lives, granted not in the UK, so if universal morality is not your thing, Blair as is Coopers, the politics is perfect.

 

[Loz]

What a great leader she'd have been:

Voted for the Iraq War
Voted against inquiries about the Iraq War
Voted for mass surveillance
Abstained on Tory Welfare Reform and Work bill

A real socialist, and no mistake.

And I think was heavily involved in rolling out the ill fated Home Information Pack in circa 2005. Did absolutely nothing to better the conveyancing process other than cost sellers a lot of money....and that government spent years putting it into place in a thinly disguised attempt to introduce the EPC which a stupid EU Directive required.
You might guess that I work in property and found the whole idea of the HIP preposterous.