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[Spadge Vernacular]

What communist proposals did Corbyn’s Labour make?

Are you purposefully ignoring what I am saying?

 

[dead_soft]

Are you purposefully ignoring what I am saying?

He's just asking you to have any coherent train of thought, I think

 

[davek]

The biggest criticism you can level at Momentum is not that they did the things they are accused of, it's that they didn't do the things they were accused of. They stood by and allowed a toxic culture amongst party staff, sexist, misogynistic, threatening and bullying to minorities to continue unchecked. I don't know how you could live with yourself if you were high up in Momentum and didn't try to get these people removed and expelled. Thats the fault of Momentum.

The idea they kicked people out etc. They didn't kick people out. People who have no place in our party.

The issue with Momentum was that they put down a move in 2016/17 to democratise it and allow decentralisation of the organisation. It basically became Lansmann's organisation and Lansmann did the bidding of Corbyn who didn't want to rock the boat with the PLP. The effect was to take the steam from the deselection process.

I'm not sure if Forward Momentum which has just set up represents that faction, maybe not if people like Mason are backing them. But I think its an indication that Momentum need to shake off the dead hand of Landsmann.

 

[tsubaki]

Are you purposefully ignoring what I am saying?

I am trying to - because it’s so completely wrong - but you keep coming out with it.

If Milne is a Stalinist, then did Labour adopt any policies that might be described as Stalinist? If the answer is no, then you are pretty much barking up the wrong tree, aren’t you?

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

He's just asking you to have any coherent train of thought, I think

I think that I have been consistently suggesting that the hard left/entrysts have tried to control the party and highlighting the example below.

Momentum grew out of and as a part of the Corbyn campaign. The hard left Trotskyist entrysts wanted to force the party to the hard left, as they have sought to do ad infinitum. Then Corbyn appoints Communist Murray and Stalinist, Seumas Milne. These aren't Labour people, a hand picked team of far left radicals.

 

[dead_soft]

I think that I have been consistently suggesting that the hard left/entrysts have tried to control the party and highlighting the example below.

So, a hard left Commie was in power, backed by a huge sway of new members most of whom agreed. Huge numbers for the first time ready to make Labour a full on Commie party. What were their main Communist policies?

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I am trying to - because it’s so completely wrong - but you keep coming out with it.

If Milne is a Stalinist, then did Labour adopt any policies that might be described as Stalinist? If the answer is no, then you are pretty much barking up the wrong tree, aren’t you?

Possibly, or we might consider why these appointments were made and if there is any consistency. I think we can agree that the leadership probably wouldn't want to be appointing people that were ideologically opposed to their own ideologies.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

So, a hard left Commie was in power, backed by a huge sway of new members most of whom agreed. Huge numbers for the first time ready to make Labour a full on Commie party. What were their main Communist policies?

No mate, this latest attempt failed also.

 

[davek]

The centre left (right to you) is the traditional party.

They aren't traditional. They were the infiltrators of the LP in the 1980s. They ended Clause 4, the core of the LP mandate when it was founded:

"To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service."

The people you call 'traditional' ended Labour's distinctiveness as a political party in the UK with socialism as its objective. They made Labour like the rest, committed to the market and opposed to socialism.

 

[dead_soft]

No mate, this latest attempt failed also.

Because they weren't communists maybe?

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Because they weren't communists maybe?

No, deffo centre left types

Jeremy Corbyn defends appointment of former communist party member

Andrew Murray is advising the Labour general election campaign

www.independent.co.uk

Corbyn’s new Stalinist voice

Meet Seumas Milne, the Labour party’s new spokesman.

www.politico.eu

 

[dead_soft]

No, deffo centre left types

Jeremy Corbyn defends appointment of former communist party member

Andrew Murray is advising the Labour general election campaign

www.independent.co.uk

Corbyn’s new Stalinist voice

Meet Seumas Milne, the Labour party’s new spokesman.

www.politico.eu

So that's two people who have further left sympathies and have had involvement with the Communist Party. Many on the Labour Party have. What it doesn't show, and what you've been unable to show, is how the Labour Party under Corbyn tried to bring about Communist policies or a shift to a Communist party.

 

[Black Belt Jones]

So that's two people who have further left sympathies and have had involvement with the Communist Party. Many on the Labour Party have. What it doesn't show, and what you've been unable to show, is how the Labour Party under Corbyn tried to bring about Communist policies or a shift to a Communist party.

If you stopped 100 people on the street and asked them did the Labour Party under Corbyn try to bring about Communist policies or a shift to a Communist party, what do you think the response would be?

Guffaws of laughter, widespread disbelief at such an ignorant and silly question? Sadly not - it would see of plenty of nodding of heads and I agree with you there mate.

That's it in a nutshell - if the question 'Is this man a communist?' can even be entertained by the electorate then that man shouldn't be leading a major political party.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

If you stopped 100 people on the street and asked them did the Labour Party under Corbyn try to bring about Communist policies or a shift to a Communist party, what do you think the response would be?

Guffaws of laughter, widespread disbelief at such an ignorant and silly question? Sadly not - it would see of plenty of nodding of heads and I agree with you there mate.

That's it in a nutshell - if the question 'Is this man a communist?' can even be entertained by the electorate then that man shouldn't be leading a major political party.

I suppose appearances like this from McDonnell didn't help where the crowd with his communist friends chanting "Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin". A world away from the avaerage man or woman on the street.

 

[dead_soft]

If you stopped 100 people on the street and asked them did the Labour Party under Corbyn try to bring about Communist policies or a shift to a Communist party, what do you think the response would be?

Guffaws of laughter, widespread disbelief at such an ignorant and silly question? Sadly not - it would see of plenty of nodding of heads and I agree with you there mate.

That's it in a nutshell - if the question 'Is this man a communist?' can even be entertained by the electorate then that man shouldn't be leading a major political party.

‘does the public consider Corbyn a Communist?’ Was nowhere near the question asked