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dannyboy said:
The problem with Momentum is that they dare to change the way things are and therefore must be stopped at all costs. Political discourse for the establishment is much better when the difference in opinion between parties is very little if any at all.

I hope one day people realise there was never any cult, just a bunch of left wing people doing their best to get a left wing government elected.
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Sadly mate Momentum is full of gobby, pseudointellectual types that think they know better than everyone else and that they own the left and Labour - they do not. I don't envisage that they will not go quietly nor that they will accept that Lansmans project Corbyn (Rebecca Long-Bailey) is done or at least Labour is in real danger of being if it isn't. In my opinion.
 
From our experience with Justice Democrats and Berniebros (who we’ve just about run out of the arena), you all might want to look into the leader bios and funding of groups like Momentum. Odd how many of the American left-wing groups had people fronting them who really shamelessly loved Putin.
 
mmmmsnouts said:
From our experience with Justice Democrats and Berniebros (who we’ve just about run out of the arena), you all might want to look into the leader bios and funding of groups like Momentum. Odd how many of the American left-wing groups had people fronting them who really shamelessly loved Putin.
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Far left entryists have been trying to get a grip of Labour in the UK since the 1920's and 30's. During Kinnocks time in the 80's, Corbyn and Lansman were active participants in 'Militants' attempts to derail the Labour campaign, which is kind of ironic given Momentum's latest attempts/releases.

Andrew Murray, Seumas Milne with their comrade, Steve Howell, where all members of Straight Left, the pro-Soviet arm of the Communist Party of Great Britain. These, with Lansman and Corbyn are fundamental pillars of Momentum, who, like 'Militant' I expect to see purged from the party until the next entryist attempt to take over Labour - if our party still exists. You have to wonder whether with these sorts that this is part of their aims.

The infighting will continue as long as entryists are allowed into the party.
 
Spadge Vernacular said:
Far left entryists have been trying to get a grip of Labour in the UK since the 1920's and 30's. During Kinnocks time in the 80's, Corbyn and Lansman were active participants in 'Militants' attempts to derail the Labour campaign, which is kind of ironic given Momentum's latest attempts/releases.

Andrew Murray, Seumas Milne with their comrade, Steve Howell, where all members of Straight Left, the pro-Soviet arm of the Communist Party of Great Britain. These, with Lansman and Corbyn are fundamental pillars of Momentum, who, like 'Militant' I expect to see purged from the party until the next entryist attempt to take over Labour - if our party still exists. You have to wonder whether with these sorts that this is part of their aims.

The infighting will continue as long as entryists are allowed into the party.
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“Entryists” lol

I do love how some on the centre and centre-right think that just because they are amoral then everyone else is. Momentum are going to purge everyone, so let’s get our purge in first.

Never mind that no Momentum purge ever happened in five years and loads of Momentum members just voted for Starmer, these people must be got rid of. It’s the same mindset that caused the centre to complain of bullying whilst (it now seems) members of that faction at Labour HQ were actively involved in bullying people. More annoyingly, sensible people are talking about widening Labours appeal so of course some of the centre are talking about getting rid of everyone they disagree with.

Momentum are representative of a strand of thought that has always been present in Labour, which is why Corbyn had been a Labour MP for 30 years prior to being elected leader. To say otherwise is either ignorant or mendacious.
 
Spadge Vernacular said:
Far left entryists have been trying to get a grip of Labour in the UK since the 1920's and 30's. During Kinnocks time in the 80's, Corbyn and Lansman were active participants in 'Militants' attempts to derail the Labour campaign, which is kind of ironic given Momentum's latest attempts/releases.

Andrew Murray, Seumas Milne with their comrade, Steve Howell, where all members of Straight Left, the pro-Soviet arm of the Communist Party of Great Britain. These, with Lansman and Corbyn are fundamental pillars of Momentum, who, like 'Militant' I expect to see purged from the party until the next entryist attempt to take over Labour - if our party still exists. You have to wonder whether with these sorts that this is part of their aims.

The infighting will continue as long as entryists are allowed into the party.
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The Marxist Social Democratic Federation was one of the main groups that formed the early Labour Party at the beginning of the 20th century. Along with trade unions and the Fabians they created the modern day LP.

The 'far' left are part of the DNA of the LP, it's traitors like Kinnock and the "free" market worshippers like Brown and Blair in the 80s who were the entryists.
 
davek said:
The Marxist Social Democratic Federation was one of the main groups that formed the early Labour Party at the beginning of the 20th century. Along with trade unions and the Fabians they created the modern day LP.

The 'far' left are part of the DNA of the LP, it's traitors like Kinnock and the "free" market worshippers like Brown and Blair in the 80s who were the entryists.
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The thing that does my head in is that a lot of Blairites were communists originally.
 
tsubaki said:
The thing that does my head in is that a lot of Blairites were communists originally.
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Stalinists - but were that many of them involved with Blair?

I always see what united them was their Atlanticism - their kow-towing to Washington was an absolute article of faith (something that undid them in the end with their unswerving support for the Iraq War).

A load of careerist graduates that came off a production line from their Politics/Philosophy/Economics courses. They're still infesting the LP now and they needed scorching off with a blow torch.
 
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Spot on the concluding paragraphs concerning the failure of Corbyn to stamp out the Blairite scum and go on the attack on the BS anti-semitism scam:

So what conclusions can we form? Well, the first is that Corbyn failed to be sufficiently ruthless in clearing out the quite extraordinarily right wing Blairites that he had inherited as Labour Party HQ staff. The Labour Party is a horribly complex institution, with elected committees, and powerful unions to appease who control the purse strings. But Blair and Brown had managed to create a machine in their own right wing image, and it is hard to read this report without concluding that Corbyn lacked the ruthlessness required in a leader to spot enemies and be rid of them.

But then, his not being ruthless is why so many people flocked to support Corbyn in the first place.

The second point is that Corbyn’s tactic of constantly attempting to appease the media on anti-semitism was never going to work. The right wing press and TV had no genuine interest in anti-racism, other than as a tool to prevent the possible election of a European style social democratic government. Neither the media not the Blairites were never going to reconcile to Corbyn. We will never know what would have happened if he had come out and denounced the witch-hunt as an attempt to stifle supporters of the Palestinians, and spoken openly of Israel’s move to apartheid. He had the nerve to take on the establishment narrative when he stated that British military invasions cause terrorist blowback at home, and won public support. Whether a firm line on Palestine and calling out the witch-hunt would have had a better result than giving way before ten thousand unfair attacks, we can never know.
 
Momentum are a party within a party which was and is a part of the problem.

It is safe to take a position that those behind the Corbyn project will have supported his chosen successor RLB and feared that Starmer would take the more traditional centrist line and undo the work of Momentum and co. The fact that Momentum have now split into an offspring party within a party within a party is typical of the nonsense that is ripping Labour apart.

If you consider the extreme left through the lens of its relationship within Labour then we could say that large parts of its history the radical left have acted as a pressure group lobbying the main party. I would suggest that Momentum, if it is to continue needs to either accept the leaders strategy and direction of travel or become a political party in its own right, separate from Labour.

I can understand that they would be reluctant to do so as rightly or wrongly the British population as a whole are certainly not communist, would probably associate Marxist and Trots as Commies and don’t go around calling each other comrade and waving little red books. It could even be argued that a high percentage of what would have been described as the working class now see themselves as middle class. I suppose this may be behind Corbyn/Momentum identifying students as the new working class.

I won’t be at all surprised to see those MPs and members pushed out, actively and passively, to return to the party. That the radical crackpots who were essentially behind the purge to melt down at this and the turmoil to continue until they either leave, the party splits or people just get bored and give up on politics.
 
Number_25 said:
Can you please explain the difference between Momentum, and for arguments sake, Compass?
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Movement and an instrument to identify direction?

A political organisation and a programme that they run?

I'm sure you have an inkling or you wouldn't have put those words in a sentence which suggests that you are trying to be naughty.
 
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