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[dannyboy]

IDS would know. Cancer is less malignant than him. A truly evil man if ever there was one.

This guy was banging on doors during the election telling people that if Labour win they'd lose their house.

Whatever viewpoint he has on something, it's always best to take the opposite position.

 

[sbbefc]

Tough one for Labour. They were always on a hiding to nothing with brexit, depending on their stance they would either lose seats in and around London/university towns or swathes of the north.
Not the most accurate way of summing up the issues, but I feel 50% of the problem was brexit, 20% Corbyn, 20% Manifesto and 10% media bias.
I have no idea where they go now.

 

[degsy]

Keir Starmer and Lady Nugee have screwed the Labour Party, which no longer represents the working class, and probably hasn’t for quite a while. Starmer was without doubt the architect of the second referendum nonsense, aided and abetted by the ‘white van man’ hater Thornberry who appears to have done everything she can since to try and make herself appear more human. I particularly liked this little bit on her Wiki page...”When Thornberry was seven, her parents divorced and she had to leave their home with her mother and two brothers. After this, she relied on free school meals and food parcels, and their cats were euthanised to save money.[6]”...you couldn’t make this up...but these are the people, just like Corbyn and all the other privately educated Labour elite who have not a clue about life outside of London....

Keir Starmer is one of the favourites for the job by all accounts...seems too clever by half and as shown in the twitter joke thing doesn't like being shown to be wrong
But who does

 

[roydo]

Still waiting for roydo sorry. Mea culpa

The hope angle? I was referring to folk in former Labour seats, not me personally.

 

[Number_25]

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This is what you get for taking an interest in politics, kids. A cold, hard lesson that you will never beat the big boys and you will be vilified throughout the land.

The whole weight of the establishment is going to be coming for Momentum over the next few months.

I am very much on the soft left (been involved in Progress for years), but I'm seriously considering joining Momentum in solidarity.

Massively unfair what has happened the past couple years.

 

[dannyboy]

I am very much on the soft left (been involved in Progress for years), but I'm seriously considering joining Momentum in solidarity.

Massively unfair what has happened the past couple years.

The media are going to be like a dog with a bone over the next few weeks. They want Momentum gone from British politics and Labour members from any wing of the party would do well to consider why that is.

Young people have always favoured Labour but never in these numbers and Momentum have been played their part in that. Whoever gets the leadership should be using them to their advantage, not going to war with them.

 

[Number_25]

 

[Cardano]

So a minimum wage, greater investment in health and education than almost any other government, guaranteed paid leave by law for the first time, working families tax credits, decreasing child poverty, increasing employment and surestart weren't enough for you?

There will never be a perfect government, no leader will ever deliver only nice things because their job is to find the least terrible option to problems every day. New Labour was probably the best government Britian has had since at least the 60s.

Add to that a not much discussed, undisputed economic fact: that government directed more money from the better off to the worst off than any other in UK history.

But Tory Blair etc etc

 

[Kev The Rat]

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Interesting and could be why Labour are so keen on a female leader

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

The tories are in power because all opposition parties failed to deliver Brexit in fact they frustrated it for 3 years live on TV for it to be seen by the public - yet it was not that alone Corbynism failed miserably as the leader and its policies of spend spend were just unbelievable plus his character his history with anti semitism -an IRA sympathiser etc etc he is like marmite and that means unelectable , and what I am pointing out he has not stood down either as yet - not like Foot , Kinnock who did it in days not weeks - if they appoint another momentum led leader it will again end in the same way maybe clawing a bit of the majority back , but still losing - I have voted Labour all my life , but cannot vote for a party within a party ie momentum ..... = the militant tendency of the early 1980's at least Kinnock tried his best to get rid of them .... and he still got beat......

Think you need to go and listen to those new Conservative MPs, Brexit is no doubt an issue, however so is the lack of investment in these areas and that's the ticket they have been elected on, money to spend, go and listen to them.

 

[Kev The Rat]

The tories are in power because all opposition parties failed to deliver Brexit in fact they frustrated it for 3 years live on TV for it to be seen by the public - yet it was not that alone Corbynism failed miserably as the leader and its policies of spend spend were just unbelievable plus his character his history with anti semitism -an IRA sympathiser etc etc he is like marmite and that means unelectable , and what I am pointing out he has not stood down either as yet - not like Foot , Kinnock who did it in days not weeks - if they appoint another momentum led leader it will again end in the same way maybe clawing a bit of the majority back , but still losing - I have voted Labour all my life , but cannot vote for a party within a party ie momentum ..... = the militant tendency of the early 1980's at least Kinnock tried his best to get rid of them .... and he still got beat......

The problem is the centrist element of the party were just as, if not more, hellbent in reversing/scuppering Brexit as Momentmum were.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The media are going to be like a dog with a bone over the next few weeks. They want Momentum gone from British politics and Labour members from any wing of the party would do well to consider why that is.

Young people have always favoured Labour but never in these numbers and Momentum have been played their part in that. Whoever gets the leadership should be using them to their advantage, not going to war with them.

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If those ratios are even close to being correct, once again young people haven't voted anywhere near as much as older folk. It's no good pledging support if people don't vote. After all, had each of those age groups voted in equal numbers, then Labour would have had the majority, not the Tories.

 

[peteblue]

The media are going to be like a dog with a bone over the next few weeks. They want Momentum gone from British politics and Labour members from any wing of the party would do well to consider why that is.

Young people have always favoured Labour but never in these numbers and Momentum have been played their part in that. Whoever gets the leadership should be using them to their advantage, not going to war with them.

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Merely what I pointed out the other day, as you get older, wiser and more experienced you become a Tory....

 

[dannyboy]

Merely what I pointed out the other day, as you get older, wiser and more experienced you become a Tory....

You can't say that with any certainty. For my generation the Tory brand is toxic in a way it never has been in the past. More young people voted for Thatcher in 83 than they did Labour.

 

[Catfish Blues]

If those ratios are even close to being correct, once again young people haven't voted anywhere near as much as older folk. It's no good pledging support if people don't vote. After all, had each of those age groups voted in equal numbers, then Labour would have had the majority, not the Tories.

Depends on the spread of ages across the electorate though doesn't it, it certainly won't be even - baby boomers and all that.