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peteblue said:
He also said that he has achieved more in 7 weeks than the Tories did in the last 7 years, but somehow to ‘fix’ anything will take 10 years…con merchant……..
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davek said:
I said in the election campaign he'd be hated by most people by the end of this year...he's achieved so much more though: August.

That's some going. Then again, his personal favourable ratings were always in the toilet even when the former Labour Party were riding high in the polls.

They'll be in the gutter in the next few weeks.
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Oh yeah, it's certainly a real mystery why Conservative voters don't want Labour to talk about Conservative failures :)

Starmer is doing exactly the right thing. Talking about the future and the consequences of the past. It's the responsible political discourse thats been missing , and for some evidently it should also be considered an educational opportunity...

I mean think about it logically. It would be very odd that if people are going to be asked to pay more and suffer further hardship, they wouldn't want to know what the reasons for that were.

I'd certainly want to know.
 
Daveysgingerlovechild said:
It probably wouldn't be the worst thing.

A genuinely progressive left-wing party needs the support of the unions. As much as they bellyache, the unions are loathe to pull away from Labour.

Sure, there's the debate about why should the left move away from Labour etc, but it's probably the best move. The unions, in my view, can't quite bring themselves to make the move - they're hedging their bets on influence.

Sharon Graham has been very vocal on Labour needing to be bolder and i think it was her making noises about leading politicians and not giving unqualified support. Perhaps needs to put her money where her mouth is.


Anyway, the Telegraph are convinced the Unions are going to ruin our lives:

www.telegraph.co.uk

The union leaders about to ruin your life

Fears are growing that Labour politicians will cave into the unions, sending the UK back to the 1970s
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk

LOL. Maybe we will end up in a Trot paradise after all, if the Telegraph are fretting.
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Unions have disaffiliated in the past. The RMT, Bakers Union.

Others disaffiliated then reaffiliated: the FBU, for instance.
 
COYBL25 said:
I don’t know about that mate, my waste of oxygen sister, has managed to stay unemployed for her whole adult life - she’s 53 now.

No matter how they try to force her to look for work, she manages to get around it - usually by inventing an illness.

It’s deffo become much harder to stay long term unemployed, but the expert scroungers, like my sister are impossible to dislodge off benefits ( imo )
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The sign on the sick and then claim PIP scam.
My wife works for the local authority and she sees what people get in benefits and how much money they have saved away. It's eye watering and if we all knew the real facts no one would go to work.
Like you my pride gets in the way and I couldn't do it.
 
Joey66 said:
They speed though - cause many accidents - go through the lights on red - no insurance - at the age of 18 years old on the road they should have number plates & insurance at the minimum & get done for speeding an old lady in a park got killed by such a cyclist last year ....
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What with this and teaching the young how to 'grow' whilst heating eledery folk's homes, JOEY FOR PM!
 
COYBL25 said:
I don’t know about that mate, my waste of oxygen sister, has managed to stay unemployed for her whole adult life - she’s 53 now.

No matter how they try to force her to look for work, she manages to get around it - usually by inventing an illness.

It’s deffo become much harder to stay long term unemployed, but the expert scroungers, like my sister are impossible to dislodge off benefits ( imo )
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I've got two old friends, going back 30 years at least, who have pretty much scammed their way through life claiming benefits. It's incredible to hear when I catch up with them.

They even have the gall to complain they don't get enough, or housing allowance doesn't support them living in the more desirable neighbourhoods in their respective towns.

They're also extremely happy espousing socialism as the preferred political and economic system, forgetting folk do indeed have to do work. One justifies not working as an ethical position of not being part of the 'system' or working for exploitative profiteers. Then forgets himself when plastered and boasts about outwitting the system or not wanting the 'hassle' of a more socially focused career. He also used to sell copies of the socialist worker for the local communist party with no sense of irony.

It's frustrating because I'm convinced career claimants like this are what drive the crwck downs that are costing those that need it. Not to mention they give decent left-wingers a bad name.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Oh yeah, it's certainly a real mystery why Conservative voters don't want Labour to talk about Conservative failures :)
Starmer is doing exactly the right thing. Talking about the future and the consequences of the past. It's the responsible political discourse thats been missing , and for some evidently it should also be considered an educational opportunity...
I mean think about it logically. It would be very odd that if people are going to be asked to pay more and suffer further hardship, they wouldn't want to know what the reasons for that were.

I'd certainly want to know.
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That's not the question people are asking; they're asking "WTF are this government - who told us there'd be change - doing by continuing austerity? Why on earth did I vote these Tories in?".
 
Xizor said:
I had a quick think for anything from the last 14 years that could be honestly & objectively hailed as an achievement by the Tories (or the Tory-led coalition). One thing comes to mind, the same-sex couples marriage act. And even then a majority of their parliamentary party at the time voted against it.
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Modern day slavery Act (which they then tried to redraft).
 
davek said:
Well, certain Troskyists have. The lack of traction in the LP they've had can eventually lead to cynicism and defeatism. Hatton being an exemplar. Maybe that's why the SWP have lasted so long; they dont believe in entryism into the LP and have remained relevant through organisations they set up like the anti-nazi league, rock against racism and latterly the stop the war and stand up to racism movement.

Mason and Jones are chalk and cheese. The latter isn't mired in the factionalism that corrupted Mason eventually into a sectarian, war mongering class traitor. Jones' politics has been very much issue based and he seeks broad coalitions. The fact he ditched the LP this year after 25 years tells you all you need to know about Starmer's factional-ridden sinister gang.
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The thing is mate, they both basically think you have to drop your principles to build these coalitions. Mason has just done it a lot more than Jones. But give Jones time. He already underlined Corbyn and tried to convince people Lisa Nandy was a better socialist option.
 
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