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[Blue 1]

And convinced people out of work that immigrants are the problem

And the disabled.

Also, convinced the young and old that each other are the problem.

 

[Lanolin]

Lads, serious question here..

How many more times do we have to call voters who didn't vote the way we wanted 'thick and stupid' until they do vote the way that we want them to?

I fully understand and appreciate what you’re saying, and agree that just insulting the electorate in general is not exactly the way to change things. But...

It’s difficult to come to any other conclusion when you see some people’s reasons for voting for certain parties. I spoke to a lad who works for me on Thursday night, he’s an apprentice earning £16500 a year. The prospects of him ever earning more than £30k a year are remote. When I asked him why he voted Tory he went into an impassioned speech about tax increases, and how labour would tax everyone more. When I told him this wasn’t the case, and would only be for high earners, he doubled down, saying those people had obviously worked even harder for their money and so DEFINITELY shouldn’t be taxed more. He’s literally voted to protect the interests of people who are earning 5 times more than him, rather than to help himself or those less fortunate. It’s hard not to say ‘are you stupid?’ when coming up against that sort of argument.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

It's brexit, a lot of Labour voters want out of Europe, Corbyn got lead down a dark alley by Starmer and Co telling him 2nd Ref was way to go.

Always the victim, never his fault.

 

[dannyboy]

People are seriously marching against the result?? The thought of that scraggy headed tit running the country is not the most pleasing, but we do have something called democracy

Democracy is the exact reason why they're allowed to march. You might not agree with, I personally wouldn't be there but I will always support their right to.

 

[jaycee]

( Genuinely ) good for you, but, again, how many people in places like Leigh ( who changed their vote ) do you think are on 52 to 60k a year ?

That soundbite is massively out of touch with the reality of peoples lives in that area. I'd wager 95%+ of the people who changed to voting Tory in Leigh would bite your hand off for the chance of earning £25 / hour.

Id also doubt the people whos votes made the difference earn that,they will be working 60hr weeks just to live,but they will have believed that
A- the disabled fella driving past them in a new car is a con man and you wouldnt have an hour wait for a bus if he has his mobility stopped
B- That house by the bus stop with the fella not working,hes the reason you have to work 60hrs
C-The Polish fella working 60hrs along side you is the reason your mum cant get a bed in hospital

 

[Cardano]

An admirable position, however when an MP stops listening to those that put them into office do not be surprised when the same people vote an MP out of office.......

Of course it shouldn’t be a surprise.

But that’s my point in admiring Soubry. She would have know that her position would lead to her being voted out.

Unlike a lot of MPs who are mostly concerned with their own jobs, she has sacrificed her position and all that comes with it to stick to her principles and what she’s thinks is right.

Parliament could do with more principled people.

 

[Cardano]

which is exactly what Soubry failed to do, but she has ‘principles’? lol

To be fair, that was a unique situation based solely on the whole Brexit mess.

It was hardly her jumping ship from Conservative to Labour.

 

[nsno-chris]

I fully understand and appreciate what you’re saying, and agree that just insulting the electorate in general is not exactly the way to change things. But...

It’s difficult to come to any other conclusion when you see some people’s reasons for voting for certain parties. I spoke to a lad who works for me on Thursday night, he’s an apprentice earning £16500 a year. The prospects of him ever earning more than £30k a year are remote. When I asked him why he voted Tory he went into an impassioned speech about tax increases, and how labour would tax everyone more. When I told him this wasn’t the case, and would only be for high earners, he doubled down, saying those people had obviously worked even harder for their money and so DEFINITELY shouldn’t be taxed more. He’s literally voted to protect the interests of people who are earning 5 times more than him, rather than to help himself or those less fortunate. It’s hard not to say ‘are you stupid?’ when coming up against that sort of argument.

why?

 

[Cool_Blue]

To be fair, that was a unique situation based solely on the whole Brexit mess.

It was hardly her jumping ship from Conservative to Labour.

Well yes, but........I’ve argued/asked this before.....
The referendum brought about a unique situation when all those Parliamentary votes on Brexit happened in the autumn, because MP’s knew exactly how their constituents had voted in 2016. So should they have voted in accordance with their constituents wishes, or for what they personally wanted? My MP was in the Tory rebel group with Soubry. Needless to say, he’s no longer an MP.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

which is exactly what Soubry failed to do, but she has ‘principles’? lol

Absolute horror her.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Left 18 -24 year old. Right over 65’sView attachment 73879

Yes but that's not a new thing. This is not a new phenomenon that people vote labour in their 20s and 30s but then eventually turn into conservative voters.

Instead of slagging off older folk at every opportunity and treating general elections like student politics, maybe labour should ask why people trust them less as they get older. It's been an issue for years and they keep ignoring it.

 

[tsubaki]

Yes but that's not a new thing. This is not a new phenomenon that people vote labour in their 20s and 30s but then eventually turn into conservative voters.

Instead of slagging off older folk at every opportunity and treating general elections like student politics, maybe labour should ask why people trust them less as they get older. It's been an issue for years and they keep ignoring it.

As has been said oft times before, the phenomenon exists because most people used to by that point own their own home, have a stable job or career and therefore had something to be scared about. The Tories played on that fear and used to get votes as a result.

This current 18-30 crowd do not have that; many will be lifelong renters and will be in debt their entire working lives. This is going to result in a reaction, sooner rather than later.

 

[Kirkles]

what's that saying about the older you get...

The more bitter and twisted we get ?

 

[DanEFC92]

what's that saying about the older you get...

The more senile you get.

 

[Cardano]

Well yes, but........I’ve argued/asked this before.....
The referendum brought about a unique situation when all those Parliamentary votes on Brexit happened in the autumn, because MP’s knew exactly how their constituents had voted in 2016. So should they have voted in accordance with their constituents wishes, or for what they personally wanted? My MP was in the Tory rebel group with Soubry. Needless to say, he’s no longer an MP.

I get why people could be annoyed and offended if an MP continued to advocate one way when their constituency had voted another.

However, I definitely have more admiration for those who stuck to what they believe in.

I just can’t get my head around someone like Caroline Flint for example. Campaigned for remain and repeatedly stated her belief that leaving the EU would be disastrous for the country and the economic interests of her constituency.

But then following the referendum, done a complete U-turn and voted and supported Brexit every step of the way?

Was Shen honourably representing her constituents? Or trying to keep hold of her job?

I can’t help but think it was the latter.