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[Sarnia Kevin]

 

[Cardano]

I always got the impression from listening to her that she had come to the realisation that Brexit was happening no matter what, so she then backed May's deal because it was better than leaving with no deal.

Soubry or Flint?

 

[Cardano]

I always got the impression from listening to her that she had come to the realisation that Brexit was happening no matter what, so she then backed May's deal because it was better than leaving with no deal.

Sorry I see you mean Flint.

I just remember her popping up a lot as one of the most vociferous advocates of Brexit post-referendum.

Given her adamant opposition to it before hand and how she thought it would Ben an economic disaster, I can’t get my head around how someone suddenly becomes eager to get it done

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Sorry I see you mean Flint.

I just remember her popping up a lot as one of the most vociferous advocates of Brexit post-referendum.

Given her adamant opposition to it before hand and how she thought it would Ben an economic disaster, I can’t get my head around how someone suddenly becomes eager to get it done

There was this interview she did mate.

Caroline Flint: why I'm backing this Brexit deal | The Spectator

An interview with Labour's unlikely Brexit renegade

www.spectator.co.uk

 

[Lanolin]

That will obviously get a lot of likes in this echo chamber of a forum but we lost the election, not because the electorate are stupid, but because we failed to provide a respectable alternative. We have nobody to blame but ourselves. We are the 'thick and stupid' ones if we don't recognise that.

I said it before the election, I took a week off because I was fed up of saying it. The sun does not shine out of Corbyn's backside. Yet it is true that many people, including on here, seriously lack any awareness of that fact. They just go on the opinion of utter dullards like Owen Jones and belief that reflects the opinion of society as a whole.

Also what you appear to be propagating there is the politics of envy. That NEVER plays well to the majority. It appears that your apprentice lad there has aspirations to succeed in life - it may work out or it may not, but good luck to the lad.

Likewise, you’ll get loads of likes because it sounds like you’re being philosophical and profound, and your sentiments echo what all the liberal commentators are saying on twitter and in the guardian.

Ultimately though, you’re propagating the myth of the working class lad who just wants to better himself, whereas I actually know the person I’m talking about, and know that not to be the case. If he wants to start earning £80k a year, he should start turning up to work on time and stop taking drugs the night before an early start.

 

[samcdavies94]

I fully understand and appreciate what you’re saying, and agree that just insulting the electorate in general is not exactly the way to change things. But...

It’s difficult to come to any other conclusion when you see some people’s reasons for voting for certain parties. I spoke to a lad who works for me on Thursday night, he’s an apprentice earning £16500 a year. The prospects of him ever earning more than £30k a year are remote. When I asked him why he voted Tory he went into an impassioned speech about tax increases, and how labour would tax everyone more. When I told him this wasn’t the case, and would only be for high earners, he doubled down, saying those people had obviously worked even harder for their money and so DEFINITELY shouldn’t be taxed more. He’s literally voted to protect the interests of people who are earning 5 times more than him, rather than to help himself or those less fortunate. It’s hard not to say ‘are you stupid?’ when coming up against that sort of argument.

Why can't he earn 30k a year?

This may sound incendiary, but I believe that anyone who works hard and applies themselves over the course of a 20-30 year career can earn far more that that, in any profession.

The lad, far from being duped, has his head very firmly screwed on.
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He could work hard, earn a really good wage AND live in a fairer society where some slight tax increases for the top earners pay for our public services to be better. Not mutually exclusive.

 

[Lanolin]

I fully understand and appreciate what you’re saying, and agree that just insulting the electorate in general is not exactly the way to change things. But...

It’s difficult to come to any other conclusion when you see some people’s reasons for voting for certain parties. I spoke to a lad who works for me on Thursday night, he’s an apprentice earning £16500 a year. The prospects of him ever earning more than £30k a year are remote. When I asked him why he voted Tory he went into an impassioned speech about tax increases, and how labour would tax everyone more. When I told him this wasn’t the case, and would only be for high earners, he doubled down, saying those people had obviously worked even harder for their money and so DEFINITELY shouldn’t be taxed more. He’s literally voted to protect the interests of people who are earning 5 times more than him, rather than to help himself or those less fortunate. It’s hard not to say ‘are you stupid?’ when coming up against that sort of argument.

Why can't he earn 30k a year?

This may sound incendiary, but I believe that anyone who works hard and applies themselves over the course of a 20-30 year career can earn far more that that, in any profession.

The lad, far from being duped, has his head very firmly screwed on.
[/QUOTE] Because he works for me and I know how much I pay people. Bit weird to take me on on that one to be honest.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You can't ever hope to earn big bucks if you can't use the quote function properly.

 

[Tubey]

Because he works for me and I know how much I pay people. Bit weird to take me on on that one to be honest.

He works for you now. Doesn't mean he can't ever earn it over his career.

 

[summerisle]

You can't ever hope to earn big bucks if you can't use the quote function properly.

Bugger.

 

[roydo]

You can earn £30k a year delivering parcels.

100 a day, 6 days a week, 52 weeks of the year would be there abouts.

1 hour sorting/loading, then 5 hours max out delivering.

Like I dont need £30k a year, and 100 a day is Christmas levels of busy for me, so I do about 75% of that on average, but thats my choice. Once we Get Brexit Done there will be tons of delivery jobs available I reckon.

(Its also a piece of cake).

 

[Lanolin]

He works for you now. Doesn't mean he can't ever earn it over his career.

Of course it doesn’t, i was being flippant.
It’s funny to see people going all bleeding heart liberal about it though. Where did I say he thought he could earn £80k a year or that he wants to? Where did I say he worked hard and wants to better himself? I didn’t, and yet that’s the route loads of you are going down because that’s what you want to believe.

I know this lad, I know his dad. I know all about his work ethic, his qualifications, his ambitions and the likelihood of him achieving them. It’s quite amazing that people think they can tell me about him from one snippet of a conversation I posted.

 

[Goat]

Im quite alarmed that people think earning 30k a year is accessible to everybody.

Try telling most manual labourers in the building trade that.

The median annual income in the UK, according to the most recent Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings, is £28,677 for full-time employees.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Im quite alarmed that people think earning 30k a year is accessible to everybody.

Try telling most manual labourers in the building trade that.

The median annual income in the UK, according to the most recent Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings, is £28,677 for full-time employees.

Single parents, gig economy, charity sector. Etc etc. I know some very skilled professionals who earn nowhere near 30k and have very little opportunity to earn much more.

 

[Lanolin]

Im quite alarmed that people think earning 30k a year is accessible to everybody.

Try telling most manual labourers in the building trade that.

The median annual income in the UK, according to the most recent Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings, is £28,677 for full-time employees.

Exactly. It’s mind blowing how out of touch some people are with the real world.