Current Affairs The General Election

Voting Intentions

  • Labour

    Votes: 209 61.1%
  • Tories

    Votes: 30 8.8%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 20 5.8%
  • Brexit Gubbins

    Votes: 8 2.3%
  • Greens

    Votes: 8 2.3%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Change UK, if that's their current moniker

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • DUP

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 2.6%
  • Alliance

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • SDLP

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • Some fringe party with a catchy name

    Votes: 7 2.0%
  • A plague on all your houses

    Votes: 32 9.4%

  • Total voters
    342
  • Poll closed .
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All of that is true. We can tie ourselves in knots about class when the real issue is income / status. Your income / status can change ( positively or negatively)through a variety of separate or linked factors some of which you are able to influence and others which are beyond your control.
Your class never changes.

Yes that's probably true, but your monetary situation is quite central to how people vote. I think in a lot of ways our cultural depictions of class are quite outdated. If you look at things from a monetary standpoint, the patterns of Labour and "working class" voters haven't changed much. What has changed is how we think of certain jobs and certain people (with a mixture of winners and losers on the housing bubble).
 
That may be true in fact, but it certainly isn't true in perception. Corbyn, fairly or unfairly, has been unable to escape the perception that he is an extreme socialist that's about to go all Venezula on the UK economy. Fact ought to triumph over perception, but it doesn't in this election of lies and counter lies.

It's odd really, as pretty much every election I remember the press say equivalent about Labour. I remember Tony Blair being compared to Stalin in the 90's!

Labour have batted off those questions pretty well. They've costed a manifesto and it holds together quite well, (there's enough academic rigour in it). The 1.2 trillion thing was dropped very early and they were unable to get it passed through the civil service, as they knew it was nonsense.

Labour struggle primarily on Brexit. It's the big weakness. Secondly on being indecisive in addressing some of the accusations (or slurs depending on perspective) sent their way.

It's funny really, I watched a Netflix show on the Cortez woman in America. In honesty, she's not particularly likeable, certainly nowhere near as genuine and likeable as Corbyn is, but there was a moment in the show where her opponent tried a slur on her, saying she'd visited a democrat who slashed a woman in the face. She was incandescent with rage and went on the counter attack, saying while she may have been there, how did she know who was there or what they had done, and it's disgraceful to use such language about her. Say what you want on her, but the anger was palpable and people react to that sort of stuff, they see it's probably not true.

To me Corbyn should have been equally angry very early on when the anti-Semitism and IRA accusations came out. If someone accused me of being a racist I'd respond very angrily and go on the counter offensive. He just kind of ignored things. It was a big mistake.

They are the big weaknesses for Labour.
 
...and it’s taken a reporter to nail Johnson on the state of the NHS. “Look at the picture on my phone of a young child with pneumonia having to lie on coats in a hospital corridor”. None of this ‘selling NHS to the USA’, a real story of what things are truly like.

it’s what the Tories don’t want to hear, it’s what useless Labour have failed to highlight.
 
...and it’s taken a reporter to nail Johnson on the state of the NHS. “Look at the picture on my phone of a young child with pneumonia having to lie on coats in a hospital corridor”. None of this ‘selling NHS to the USA’, a real story of what things are truly like.

it’s what the Tories don’t want to hear, it’s what useless Labour have failed to highlight.

Ha ha are you for real? Labour hasn't shut up about the NHS all election. So much so you've got posters on here complaining about how much they mention it.
 
Ha ha are you for real? Labour hasn't shut up about the NHS all election. So much so you've got posters on here complaining about how much they mention it.

...the focus on repetitive ‘selling the NHS to the US’, the state of public services should be as permanently used as the Tories saying ‘get Brexit done’. 3 million kids living in poverty, the state of social care, the worst ever NHS stats should be drummed in every interview. Loads of examples out there that Labour fail to exploit.

Everyday situations that the public are experiencing.
 
...the focus on repetitive ‘selling the NHS to the US’, the state of public services should be as permanently used as the Tories saying ‘get Brexit done’. 3 million kids living in poverty, the state of social care, the worst ever NHS stats should be drummed in every interview. Loads of examples out there that Labour fail to exploit.

Everyday situations that the public are experiencing.

They have made plenty of videos which have people talking about their NHS experiences. Political parties can't tour the hospitals looking to take pictures of sick children. Nice to see the media holding Johnson to account though.
 
...the focus on repetitive ‘selling the NHS to the US’, the state of public services should be as permanently used as the Tories saying ‘get Brexit done’. 3 million kids living in poverty, the state of social care, the worst ever NHS stats should be drummed in every interview. Loads of examples out there that Labour fail to exploit.

Everyday situations that the public are experiencing.

Theyve been posting loads of examples on social media.

The women who died of cancer who had to wait hours for an ambulance, for example.
 
Calling that lying sack of neo-liberal excrement by his first name. I dont get the familiarity.

it's just how he's colloquially known. for the record i'm not a fan, i just don't like to see stupid unfair arguments.

if i was still in blighty my vote would go in Corbyn's direction (despite my reservations about some of his senior staff).
 
it's just how he's colloquially known. for the record i'm not a fan, i just don't like to see stupid unfair arguments.

if i was still in blighty my vote would go in Corbyn's direction (despite my reservations about some of his senior staff).
He's known as that by his fawning fans in the media and a bunch of serfs about to transfer their vote to the Tories "to juss get Bregsit dun."
 
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