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[Minimeister]

...and it’s taken a reporter to nail Johnson on the state of the NHS. “Look at the picture on my phone of a young child with pneumonia having to lie on coats in a hospital corridor”. None of this ‘selling NHS to the USA’, a real story of what things are truly like.

it’s what the Tories don’t want to hear, it’s what useless Labour have failed to highlight.

Have to agree with this. Highlight how many nurses have left the profession. Highlight the amount of junior doctor vacancies there are and the inevitable lack of Consultants that'll lead too. Highlight the hatred of the Tories from the people who work in the health service. They've failed to do any of this.

 

[evilwebby]

Managing the economy is different to policies. Yougov have done a poll on each of the policies, and the majority of them are overwhelmingly supported by members of the public.

The intriguing thing, then is to understand why there is such a disconnect between the two. Essentially a range of policies people like, but people don't trust Labour on the economy.

I mean there's a lot of conclusions on this. The first is that people in Britain want to have their cake and eat it. They want low taxes and high public services. You can't really have both. America is low tax, low public service, Nordic countries the opposite.

I'd also say, Labour are very bad at communicating their core message, or until Mcdonnell they have been. Years of accepting the other sides orthodoxy have hurt them. So too has been their cowardice in pointing out, that overspending in the public sector did not cause the last crisis (at best it could be argued that it was a consequence of this).

The media have some role to play in this too. Not just private newspapers, but our public bodies are inept. Absolutely inept. I can't think of any other country, where such idiocy of "Labour crashed the economy" would not be fact checked as a lie.

The reality is though, the Tories have a core problem, In essence they have to pretend what they are in order to win. Thatcher was able to win by setting out a monetarist agenda and pick up enough support. This lot have to make out they are going to go on a huge spending splurge in order to win. It's easy to see the contradiction that emerges further down the line.

The public are hypocrites when it comes to what they want and who they think should pay for it.
From this Yougov survey:

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When the public are asked what income decile they considered "rich":

We know the mean wage is about 28k, so it figures that the 8th, 9th & 10th deciles are all above average earnings. Hence why we see a big jump in the proportion of what the population on the whole things of as being rich.

However, when you ask people who are actually in those earning brackets if they consider themselves rich, you get wildly differing opinion:

Only 7% of people in the 40-50k bracket consider themselves rich, and only 10% of people earning 50k+.



This demostrates that, as you say, people want to have their cake and eat it. They want the rich to pay for it, but when asked if they consider themselves rich, they will say "no way!". The logical extension of this is that they want someone else to pay for whatever they want done.

 

[dholliday]

He's known as that by his fawning fans in the media and a bunch of serfs about to transfer their vote to the Tories "to juss get Bregsit dun."

them also, but even his enemies call him Boris. like how Thatcher became Maggie. e.g. Roger Waters was hugely critical of her but still referred to her as Maggie.

it's not affectionate, just colloquial.

 

[davek]

them also, but even his enemies call him Boris. like how Thatcher became Maggie. e.g. Roger Waters was hugely critical of her but still referred to her as Maggie.

it's not affectionate, just colloquial.

It comes across as chummy.

He is a menace and danger to us all. You'll see that in a full term of office. There'll be a steady march toward barbarism in this country that'll make the 'civil war' of Brexit look genteel.

 

[dholliday]

It comes across as chummy.

He is a menace and danger to us all. You'll see that in a full term of office. There'll be a steady march toward barbarism in this country that'll make the 'civil war' of Brexit look genteel.

well i'm not that dramatic about it but i do agree a Corbyn-led Labour will be overall better for all. Hopefully everyone gets out to vote! it's on a weekday, isn't it?

 

[davek]

well i'm not that dramatic about it but i do agree a Corbyn-led Labour will be overall better for all. Hopefully everyone gets out to vote! it's on a weekday, isn't it?

Thursday, as per...

 

[dholliday]

Thursday, as per...

i fear Tory Jo will be kingmaker, if she's still adamant about not fancying a coalition with Jeremy then things could get ugly.

 

[larrygobfiend]

...the focus on repetitive ‘selling the NHS to the US’, the state of public services should be as permanently used as the Tories saying ‘get Brexit done’. 3 million kids living in poverty, the state of social care, the worst ever NHS stats should be drummed in every interview. Loads of examples out there that Labour fail to exploit.

Everyday situations that the public are experiencing.

I've seen nothing but stuff like this, mate.

 

[davek]

For the 30 voters planning to choose Tory on this dedicated thread...here's the 4 year old lad with pneumonia lying on a blanket on the floor that your choice for PM doesn't give a flying one about.

.........

 

[larrygobfiend]

The public are hypocrites when it comes to what they want and who they think should pay for it.
From this Yougov survey:

YouGov UK: Data Analytics & Market Research Services

Explore YouGov's market research and data analytics services for valuable insights. Make informed business decisions with our consumer analysis & intelligence.

yougov.co.uk

When the public are asked what income decile they considered "rich":

We know the mean wage is about 28k, so it figures that the 8th, 9th & 10th deciles are all above average earnings. Hence why we see a big jump in the proportion of what the population on the whole things of as being rich.

However, when you ask people who are actually in those earning brackets if they consider themselves rich, you get wildly differing opinion:

Only 7% of people in the 40-50k bracket consider themselves rich, and only 10% of people earning 50k+.



This demostrates that, as you say, people want to have their cake and eat it. They want the rich to pay for it, but when asked if they consider themselves rich, they will say "no way!". The logical extension of this is that they want someone else to pay for whatever they want done.

Can we have a pie chart when you get a chance?

 

[davek]

i fear Tory Jo will be kingmaker, if she's still adamant about not fancying a coalition with Jeremy then things could get ugly.

She's had her card marked this election. No way would they go with the Tories again.

 

[dholliday]

She's had her card marked this election. No way would they go with the Tories again.

i'd be more surprised if she went with Jeremy...everyone should just vote Labour full stop, none of this tactical bollocks.

 

[davek]

i'd be more surprised if she went with Jeremy...everyone should just vote Labour full stop, none of this tactical bollocks.

Well, a vote for her party in seats well out of reach for the LP would be the wiser option...though there are far more seats where LDs should back the Labour candidate.

 

[neil999]

For the 30 voters planning to choose Tory on this dedicated thread...here's the 4 year old lad with pneumonia lying on a blanket on the floor that your choice for PM doesn't give a flying one about.

.........

interesting to see if this image makes a difference...social media etc

 

[dholliday]

Well, a vote for her party in seats well out of reach for the LP would be the wiser option...though there are far more seats where LDs should back the Labour candidate.

that could risk making her kingmaker...