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[catcherintherye]

If nothing else has been underlined in this election it's that the LD leadership have been sent a massive rejection of their time in coalition. They would have to be politically dense and intent on extinction not to heed that message.

They haven't heeded that message at all.

Their political advisors, are amongst the most stupid people I've ever spoken too. Far beyond the Tories, or even the idiots in New Labour. They haven't got a clue. There will be enormous demoralism from them at this election, but they will not learn that lesson.

They have massively ballsed this election up. Forget the media and Corbyn, which will be the narrative whatever happens, that Corbyn's the big loser, they have missed a once in a generation opportunity to rebuild.

I still think that vote share will be squeezed this week. I also have a sneaky feeling, that a fair proportion of the vote share and Labour's is more tactically engaged than we realise.

 

[dholliday]

Where do tory voters come from? They are not on my Facebook page, not hanging around here, but they are clearly out there somewhere cos they will romp this one home

Tory voters are broad: from working class to well-off and all regions of England. Most people feel things are relatively working under the Tories, and they fear a Corbyn-government would shake things up too much to the point where things stop working.

 

[davek]

i still feel a bit iffy about tactical voting. Brexit Party will also play a significant factor.

Here's some recent analysis of Tory Jo:

Are the Lib Dems about to do another deal with the Tories? Jo Swinson claims supporting her will keep Boris Johnson from power. But ‘vote Lib Dem, get Tory’ is a more likely scenario.

Jo Swinson hopes for powerful role as kingmaker

Jo Swinson rules out Lib Dems helping Corbyn into Number 10

Reporters with a tin ear.

Though I'd welcome any explanation on how a LD Party intent on ending Brexit and a Tory party intent on carrying it through could co-exist...or, indeed, how the former which has seen its share of the vote collapse because of their austerity record, could climb into bed again with the Tories, who despite their 'spending' policies will get straight back down to hacking away at the state.

 

[catcherintherye]

wtf lol

some of you have weird extreme views x

It is though mate. I remember thinking it when I hear Kopites going on about "Jurgen". It's absolutely pathetic. It's the kid at school who had no mates, pretending the hard kid likes him.

 

[dholliday]

Reporters with a tin ear.

Though I'd welcome any explanation on how a LD Party intent on ending Brexit and a Tory party intent on carrying it through could co-exist...or, indeed, how the former which has seen its share of the vote collapse because of their austerity record, could climb into bed again with the Tories, who despite their 'spending' policies will get straight back down to hacking away at the state.

I just don't trust Jo, so my take on that would be that she's only saying those anti-Brexit things to get that share of the vote, then as kingmaker will make a deal with the Tories (where she gets to be deputy PM) which severely compromise her initial message.

 

[catcherintherye]

Where do tory voters come from? They are not on my Facebook page, not hanging around here, but they are clearly out there somewhere cos they will romp this one home

It's mainly older people mate, a very reliable group of voters who turn out. You have also got a large proportion of Brexit voters who are loyal to Brexit over all else. And given their only competition stood aside, they have a goldmine of 52% of the population or 17.4 million votes that they only need to get about 75-80% of to win an election. It's an open goal.

 

[davek]

They haven't heeded that message at all.

Their political advisors, are amongst the most stupid people I've ever spoken too. Far beyond the Tories, or even the idiots in New Labour. They haven't got a clue. There will be enormous demoralism from them at this election, but they will not learn that lesson.

They have massively ballsed this election up. Forget the media and Corbyn, which will be the narrative whatever happens, that Corbyn's the big loser, they have missed a once in a generation opportunity to rebuild.

I still think that vote share will be squeezed this week. I also have a sneaky feeling, that a fair proportion of the vote share and Labour's is more tactically engaged than we realise.

Latest ICM poll has the gap at 6%. I think that'll close as the next two days or so pass by. And many of the serfs pledging to vote Try will simply abstain. And, as you say, tactical voting too.

Hung parliament. Said that for months.

 

[dholliday]

It is though mate. I remember thinking it when I hear Kopites going on about "Jurgen". It's absolutely pathetic. It's the kid at school who had no mates, pretending the hard kid likes him.

weirdo

 

[davek]

I just don't trust Jo, so my take on that would be that she's only saying those anti-Brexit things to get that share of the vote, then as kingmaker will make a deal with the Tories (where she gets to be deputy PM) which severely compromise her initial message.

She'd kill her party dead for all time. I know there are 'orange book' LDs like her, but they aren't thick. They surely have to have picked up in this election that they will pay a hefty price for ever going down the 2010 coalition road again. Co-operation even with the Tories on a confidence and supply basis would be too toxic for them.

 

[catcherintherye]

Latest ICM poll has the gap at 6%. I think that'll close as the next two days or so pass by. And many of the serfs pledging to vote Try will simply abstain. And, as you say, tactical voting too.

Hung parliament. Said that for months.

The ICM was a bit of good news we needed. It's wide currently on polling. I'm preparing for the worst. If it's a hung Parliament, the Conservative party gets finished more quickly than even I imagined. That's their final last triumphant stand completely obliterated. They go to the dustbins of history.

 

[catcherintherye]

weirdo

How do you feel when you hear Kopites going on about "Jurgen" or "Jordan" or "Trent"? Do you not find that rather odd behaviour? Maybe I'm massively out here, I just can't my head around it though.

 

[dholliday]

She'd kill her party dead for all time. I know there are 'orange book' LDs like her, but they aren't thick. They surely have to have poicked up in this election that they will pay a hefty price for ever going down the 2010 coalition road again. Co-operation even with the Tories on a confidence and supply basis would be too toxic for them.

not worth the risk of tactical voting in my book. Vote Labour, regardless. Simple and, with a bit of luck, effective.

 

[catcherintherye]

She'd kill her party dead for all time. I know there are 'orange book' LDs like her, but they aren't thick. They surely have to have picked up in this election that they will pay a hefty price for ever going down the 2010 coalition road again. Co-operation even with the Tories on a confidence and supply basis would be too toxic for them.

Why wouldn't they just demand a final vote on the deal?

 

[davek]

The ICM was a bit of good news we needed. It's wide currently on polling. I'm preparing for the worst. If it's a hung Parliament, the Conservative party gets finished more quickly than even I imagined. That's their final last triumphant stand completely obliterated. They go to the dustbins of history.

It certainly wont be a landslide if they do win.

Let's see how many their own party machinery are able to round up and get to the polling stations. I have huge doubts they can get them there in sufficient numbers.

 

[davek]

Why wouldn't they just demand a final vote on the deal?

Because it'd split the Tory Party forever. Do you see the Brexiteers amongst them EVER countenancing that?