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[Number_25]

For the 30 voters planning to choose Tory on this dedicated thread...here's the 4 year old lad with pneumonia lying on a blanket on the floor that your choice for PM doesn't give a flying one about.

.........

Just give the lad a bag of vegetables, and he'll be good.

 

[Tubey]

The public are hypocrites when it comes to what they want and who they think should pay for it.
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When the public are asked what income decile they considered "rich":

We know the mean wage is about 28k, so it figures that the 8th, 9th & 10th deciles are all above average earnings. Hence why we see a big jump in the proportion of what the population on the whole things of as being rich.

However, when you ask people who are actually in those earning brackets if they consider themselves rich, you get wildly differing opinion:

Only 7% of people in the 40-50k bracket consider themselves rich, and only 10% of people earning 50k+.



This demostrates that, as you say, people want to have their cake and eat it. They want the rich to pay for it, but when asked if they consider themselves rich, they will say "no way!". The logical extension of this is that they want someone else to pay for whatever they want done.

Nobody in any of those categories are rich. You're talking £150k ish before that term could be relatively applied, because there's hundreds of factors that can make one person on 50k relatively poor even when set against another on 50k.

 

[davek]

interesting to see if this image makes a difference...social media etc

How widespread will this be reported? A cursory mention on the evening news. The Tories have the media boxed off. And even if it dos get airtime the serfs will ignore it and "vort Bregsit"...because they're thick as two short 'kin planks.

 

[davek]

Just give the lad a bag of vegetables, and he'll be good.

I'm sure if his mum and dad had access to expensive family doctors it could have been avoided. That's what that turd Johnson is thinking.

 

[davek]

that could risk making her kingmaker...

As said, she couldn't go there again. No chance. Politically within her own party it would not be worn. I;d also suggest that a Brexit focussed Tory Party cant common ground with a LD party looking to revoke article 50.

The two dont go.

 

[catcherintherye]

The public are hypocrites when it comes to what they want and who they think should pay for it.
From this Yougov survey:

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When the public are asked what income decile they considered "rich":

We know the mean wage is about 28k, so it figures that the 8th, 9th & 10th deciles are all above average earnings. Hence why we see a big jump in the proportion of what the population on the whole things of as being rich.

However, when you ask people who are actually in those earning brackets if they consider themselves rich, you get wildly differing opinion:

Only 7% of people in the 40-50k bracket consider themselves rich, and only 10% of people earning 50k+.



This demostrates that, as you say, people want to have their cake and eat it. They want the rich to pay for it, but when asked if they consider themselves rich, they will say "no way!". The logical extension of this is that they want someone else to pay for whatever they want done.

What you show is quite interesting and probably backs up what we say. I think it would have been interesting to see the 80K+ bracket surveyed (which is the cut off for Labour taxation). It looks like 68% of people say 60k is rich. So you'd imagine this would be a big majority of people, hence why it's quite a popular policy.

I mean whatever we want to say about Corbyn, the idea that people earning over 80k should be expected to pay for better public services is popular. What the right have always been quite adept at is obscuring this via the media. So it becomes a less binary choice. In fairness they have to be able to do this.

From a sales perspective the Tories have a much harder sell, as they are representing a much smaller group of the electorate and have to get people to vote against their interests, beliefs or whats beneficial to them. The advantage is they have the favourable avenues to be able to make that message seem more plausible.

That in essence is the challenge both go the parties face. It's why I've never gone hook line and sinker for the media stuff on Labour. You kind of have to expect media moguls and editors of state TV to be very sceptical about a party who will lessen their wealth at the expense of helping ordinary people.

 

[larrygobfiend]

Just give the lad a bag of vegetables, and he'll be good.

Yeah, the NHS isn't as bad as people say it is....

 

[catcherintherye]

As said, she couldn't go there again. No chance. Politically within her own party it would not be worn. I;d also suggest that a Brexit focussed Tory Party cant common ground with a LD party looking to revoke article 50.

The two dont go.

I really wouldn't rule anything out with either. Swindon would compromise anything to get what she wants. Johnson likewise.

In such a scenario my hope would be that the tories would grant a people's vote on Johnsons deal, and both of the parties would metaphorically slit each others throats in the process going forward.

 

[catcherintherye]

It comes across as chummy.

He is a menace and danger to us all. You'll see that in a full term of office. There'll be a steady march toward barbarism in this country that'll make the 'civil war' of Brexit look genteel.

I said it earlier. It's absolutely cringey. You call it serf speak, I call it Kopite speak (which is in essence the same thing). It's like when they call Klopp "Jurgen" or Arnold "Trent" like he's their mate. Like he gives a flying tuppence about them. It's utter buffoonery.

It's the same with this "Johnson" nonsense. It's pathetic behaviour for people who haven't got any mates in the real world so live vicariously via imaginary powerful people.

 

[twoblue]

Where do tory voters come from? They are not on my Facebook page, not hanging around here, but they are clearly out there somewhere cos they will romp this one home

 

[davek]

I really wouldn't rule anything out with either. Swindon would compromise anything to get what she wants. Johnson likewise.

In such a scenario my hope would be that the tories would grant a people's vote on Johnsons deal, and both of the parties would metaphorically slit each others throats in the process going forward.

If nothing else has been underlined in this election it's that the LD leadership have been sent a massive rejection of their time in coalition. They would have to be politically dense and intent on extinction not to heed that message.

 

[davek]

Where do tory voters come from? They are not on my Facebook page, not hanging around here, but they are clearly out there somewhere cos they will romp this one home

Under rocks.

 

[dholliday]

As said, she couldn't go there again. No chance. Politically within her own party it would not be worn. I;d also suggest that a Brexit focussed Tory Party cant common ground with a LD party looking to revoke article 50.

The two dont go.

i still feel a bit iffy about tactical voting. Brexit Party will also play a significant factor.

Here's some recent analysis of Tory Jo:

Are the Lib Dems about to do another deal with the Tories? Jo Swinson claims supporting her will keep Boris Johnson from power. But ‘vote Lib Dem, get Tory’ is a more likely scenario.

Jo Swinson hopes for powerful role as kingmaker

Jo Swinson rules out Lib Dems helping Corbyn into Number 10

 

[dholliday]

I said it earlier. It's absolutely cringey. You call it serf speak, I call it Kopite speak (which is in essence the same thing). It's like when they call Klopp "Jurgen" or Arnold "Trent" like he's their mate. Like he gives a flying tuppence about them. It's utter buffoonery.

It's the same with this "Johnson" nonsense. It's pathetic behaviour for people who haven't got any mates in the real world so live vicariously via imaginary powerful people.

wtf lol

some of you have weird extreme views x

 

[twoblue]

Have to agree with this. Highlight how many nurses have left the profession. Highlight the amount of junior doctor vacancies there are and the inevitable lack of Consultants that'll lead too. Highlight the hatred of the Tories from the people who work in the health service. They've failed to do any of this.

this is the problem. Country in a state, tory Party been in civil war. Labour Party can’t even run an effect election campaign. I have little hope of them running a country no matter what plans they have