Current Affairs The Far Right

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magicjuan said:
You don't understand antifa. It isn't an organisation, and exists as a collective of likeminded people, globally, which, let's be completely honest here, shouldn't be necessary.
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What don't I understand, mate? I know it isn't one organisation, it's an ideology loosely based around communist ideals. It is, by its own admission, 'far-left', though. Which is where I attributed it to within my post. I said that from my centre leftish/classical liberal perspective that sometimes Antfia tactics have similarities with the those it proclaims to hate. The examples I've given above kinda prove this, don't they?

magicjuan said:
It's like saying everyone who supported rock against racism was an anarchist libertarian militia.
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I'm sorry but it's really not.
 
Adam-GOTTV said:
Course mate, and thanks. Not a fan of Trump, but don't think he's a new Hitler. I'm most concerned about his authoritarian streak tbh. That's something to be legitimately concerned about but too many of his opponents help contribute to his success with their hysteria.
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I think what's scary in terms of American politics is the general lurch to the right. I don't think Trump is a fascist, but at the same time, many fascists feel represented by him and feel enabled to march through American towns. With Trump in office, they clearly feel that there is now an opportunity and a gap to be exploited.
 
Adam-GOTTV said:
What don't I understand, mate? I know it isn't one organisation, it's an ideology loosely based around communist ideals. It is, by its own admission, 'far-left', though. Which is where I attributed it to within my post. I said that from my centre leftish/classical liberal perspective that sometimes Antfia tactics have similarities with the those it proclaims to hate. The examples I've given above kinda prove this, don't they?



I'm sorry but it's really not.
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Is anti-fascism based on 'communist ideals'? I'd say it's based on ideals which believes that fascism has no place in our societies. That's it.
 
In Charlottesville the VAST majority of counder protesters were not organized, were not Antifa, were not BLM, were not radicals, were not communists. They were locals, locals who had democratically decided to remove a statue. They did not want fascists in their city.
On saturday these fascists will come to my city and I will protest against them.
There is no 'both sides' story here. They are nazis.
 
Clint Planet said:

Poppycock. You don't have to be even left-wing to be anti-fascist. You just have to be a decent human being to find racism repulsive. You think Heather Hayer was a communist? Open your eyes, amigo.
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Mate, there's no need to be condescending, it's not very productive. I happen to think race tells me nothing about a person and I'd rather we judged people based on the content of their character and actions, hence my original concern about the growth of politics based on identity (not ideas).

I don't think Heather Hayer was a communist, I don't know what she thought. As @Ruairi77 said above, the majority of counter protesters at the weekend when she was sadly murdered weren't Antifa. And even if she was, she evidently didn't deserve that.

My eyes are open, I'm doing my best to try and work this stuff out like the rest of us.
 
Adam-GOTTV said:
Mate, there's no need to be condescending, it's not very productive. I happen to think race tells me nothing about a person and I'd rather we judged people based on the content of their character and actions, hence my original concern about the growth of politics based on identity (not ideas).

I don't think Heather Hayer was a communist, I don't know what she thought. As @Ruairi77 said above, the majority of counter protesters at the weekend when she was sadly murdered weren't Antifa. And even if she was, she evidently didn't deserve that.

My eyes are open, I'm doing my best to try and work this stuff out like the rest of us.
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I guess what a lot of people are getting upset about is the narrative, which is being pushed by Trump, is that there is an equivalency here. As if both sides pose the same threat. This is not the case. The likes of Antifa pose very little threat to America or my way of life, one day, if they do, I'll protest against them. For now there is a serious threat to America from the far right.
They want you to get distracted by Antifa and BLM. They are feeding you this narrative to, in some perverse way, justify the actions of the far right. Don't bite. The threat or problem here is the resurgence of nazis, everything else is noise.
 
Adam-GOTTV said:
I happen to think race tells me nothing about a person and I'd rather we judged people based on the content of their character and actions, hence my original concern about the growth of politics based on identity (not ideas).
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When a body of people is so discriminated against, so let down by society on so many levels, so-called "identity politics" becomes inevitable.

The bemoaning of "identity politics" plays right into the hands of all those who would gain from the status quo.
 
Adam-GOTTV said:
What don't I understand, mate? I know it isn't one organisation, it's an ideology loosely based around communist ideals. It is, by its own admission, 'far-left', though. Which is where I attributed it to within my post. I said that from my centre leftish/classical liberal perspective that sometimes Antfia tactics have similarities with the those it proclaims to hate. The examples I've given above kinda prove this, don't they?



I'm sorry but it's really not.
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As others have noted, Antifa is just ordinary people from across the political spectrum, it's about as far left as Corbyn and he really isn't despite what the media portray.
These alt-right, far right balloons believe there are certain parts of the population who are 'better' and more entitled than others, the conservatives in this country think the same. Politics in general has shifted massively to the right in the last 40 years as it serves capital first, people come way down the list. The Petrie dish we all live in is fuelled by money, it sets people against each other and foments anger and then channels it towards differences. Antifa is a reaction to that. The rise of nazi ideals again, believing they can come out of the woodwork because the environment fuelled by the likes of Trump, Netanyahu and countless others in positions of power to greater and lesser degrees, is no accident, it's been drip fed over decades to splinter society into factions. I've said earlier that this is all about ramping up aggression and pockets of violence will continue until it really flares up.
What you seem to be confusing is anarchist groups latching onto causes, but I saw little evidence of that in news reporting of Charlottesville. The mask wearing etc is more a response to some very heavy handed policing that exists in America especially towards BME groups.
There are no communist ideals, because people are sick of ever shifting political ideals moving more and more to the right doesn't make them communists for opposing it.
 
Clint Planet said:

When a body of people is so discriminated against, so let down by society on so many levels, so-called "identity politics" becomes inevitable.

The bemoaning of "identity politics" plays right into the hands of all those who would gain from the status quo.
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No it isn't. "Identity politics" is the way by which those in charge of society remain in charge - it is divide and rule but with community leaders and its own code of conduct.
 
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