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[Bruce Wayne]

I see Sunak got the 'boats' into his shortlist of priorities to help us out the mess we are in.

Mad isn't it?

 

[mahermi1]

But it's not "that" false an attachment, is it? Andrew Murray and Seumas Milne were both strongly linked to the official Communisty party in the UK, and Corbyn was a regular Morning Star contributor. The policy positions of Corbyn and the Communist party are not exactly poles apart, even down to opposition to the EU. If Starmer can be tagged as a Blairite then Corbyn most certainly could be tagged a communist.

That's like saying the Tories a linked to the Oligarchs, are they Pro Russian ?

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

But it's not "that" false an attachment, is it? Andrew Murray and Seumas Milne were both strongly linked to the official Communisty party in the UK, and Corbyn was a regular Morning Star contributor. The policy positions of Corbyn and the Communist party are not exactly poles apart, even down to opposition to the EU. If Starmer can be tagged as a Blairite then Corbyn most certainly could be tagged a communist.

Spot on - this also allowed a space for the right to stoke the lefts factions against one another leading to Boris.

I just pray that people can find a united voice to call out the mess that we are in.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Any communist holding up pictures of Mao or Stalin is a total buffoon. Mate of mine attends a load of communist marches and says numpteys will often try and glorify them.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Not really - I mean, Corbyn didn't promote communism nor did he implement or propose communist policies. Saying he was linked to Milne who was linked to British Communists therefore he is a communist is absurd.

These assocoations and having McDonnell bringing out Little Red Book in the HoC were not helpful. They were just writing the Daily Mails headlines for them.

 

[woomy]

All 5 pledges are to fix all the problems caused by his party, it annoys me that none of the journalists asked him about that.

Yeah,.it was a very controlled press conference. 1 question each, right wing papers got first go with some seriously soft questions, which still got avoided anyway.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

But its none of those things, Bruce. That photo was taken at the biggest socialist march of the year, which (COVID aside) has happened every year for the last few decades. At the march there are a wide range of left-wing views, indeed you can see that in the photo where there are other banners present.

To say that because one of those banners were present then everything else there present (McDonnell, the PCS, the pigeons) is as bad as it would be if Hitler was on the banner is risible. Did McDonnell advance communist ideas in his speech? No. Did he as Shadow Chancellor advance communist policy proposals? No. Is he a communist? No.

The truly maddening thing is that you'd never accept that sort of argument in any other context - for example, labelling all left and left-appearing opponents as communists is a common theme of the extreme right, including Nazis. Does that mean because you are doing it here that you are of the extreme right, irrespective of what you actually say, do, or believe?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Mao and Stalin were psychopathic mass murderers and no mainstream British politician should ever be seen at events that glorify them. If Corbyn didn't want to appear communist then he and his inner circle and supporters should have steered well clear of these kind of things. Heck, given the notable support for Putin in the Morning Star, I'd question having anything to do with that rag either.

That's like saying the Tories a linked to the Oligarchs, are they Pro Russian ?

Well, yes. The Tories have been heavily implicated with Putin and there have been numerous accusations that Brexit was delivered in part by him. There have also been numerous accusations about Johnson himself and his links to compromised Russian figures.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Come on. If a major politician gave a speech in front of a picture of Hitler (a picture that was supportive of Hitler) then you would rightly think that was crazy and have to associate that politician as also being supportive of Hitler. You asked why people thought Corbyn was far left when he's supposedly nothing of the sort. I'm merely pointing out that he, his inner circle, and the momentum group that put him in power have plenty of links to the communist party, so it's not "that" big a leap.

Big leaps huh...

(two mass murderers, the one on the right is Chile's augusto pinochet) where's bill, need a 'good times' quip here....

 

[Rita_Poon]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Mao and Stalin were psychopathic mass murderers and no mainstream British politician should ever be seen at events that glorify them. If Corbyn didn't want to appear communist then he and his inner circle and supporters should have steered well clear of these kind of things. Heck, given the notable support for Putin in the Morning Star, I'd question having anything to do with that rag either.

Well, yes. The Tories have been heavily implicated with Putin and there have been numerous accusations that Brexit was delivered in part by him. There have also been numerous accusations about Johnson himself and his links to compromised Russian figures.

This fell well...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Big leaps huh...
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(two mass murderers, the one on the right is Chile's augusto pinochet) where's bill, need a 'good times' quip here....

If you look back through the GOT usenet vaults at the time I was highly critical of the relationship.

 

[Rita_Poon]

If you look back through the GOT usenet vaults at the time I was highly critical of the relationship.

Please pardon me, I couldn't believe my luck when the chance presented itself, any and every opportunity to remind the tory-tramps of their and their media barons hypocrisy has to be seized. The strange thing in historical terms regards the comparisons made so far is that stalin killed some three times plus what hitler did. Thats a slight tangent and as applicable to Corbyn or Foot or blair or Kinnock or Benn as it is to any of thatchers cabal. Its the language of lowest common denominator stuff, appeal to the thickest most lazy there is and if you can prop up the selfish and greedy you will reward, with the votes of the thickos then it's job done because that dynamic can carry the can both in blame and consequence whilst those they let down can be pointed in their direction for some culture war blame gaming. The only virtue is getting paid, the only honesty is that with your off shore accountant, there is no society, adapt or die.

bread and circuses, might get tested that come the summer... (Side note, if the nhs is in the death throes now, if a resurgent covid infection turns up who is dragging the country through it? - and how many people have to die in the current malaise to stack up next to the lives lost in the pandemic total - snacks for thought)

[not that I'm accusing or inferring you are a tory voter/supporter etc]

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Please pardon me, I couldn't believe my luck when the chance presented itself, any and every opportunity to remind the tory-tramps of their and their media barons hypocrisy has to be seized. The strange thing in historical terms regards the comparisons made so far is that stalin killed some three times plus what hitler did. Thats a slight tangent and as applicable to Corbyn or Foot or blair or Kinnock or Benn as it is to any of thatchers cabal. Its the language of lowest common denominator stuff, appeal to the thickest most lazy there is and if you can prop up the selfish and greedy you will reward, with the votes of the thickos then it's job done because that dynamic can carry the can both in blame and consequence whilst those they let down can be pointed in their direction for some culture war blame gaming. The only virtue is getting paid, the only honesty is that with your off shore accountant, there is no society, adapt or die.

bread and circuses, might get tested that come the summer... (Side note, if the nhs is in the death throes now, if a resurgent covid infection turns up who is dragging the country through it? - and how many people have to die in the current malaise to stack up next to the lives lost in the pandemic total - snacks for thought)

[not that I'm accusing or inferring you are a tory voter/supporter etc]

I do own a tweed blazer so in continuation of this thread it'd probably be a fair cop. Live by the sword etc.

 

[Yarrgh]

But there are many working people who seem to be doing very nicely.
We were back in England last September and we were surprised the numbers of big new cars on the overcrowded roads, and people holidaymaking in very long haul destinations. Generally living it up.

All on the never never. The country is built like a stack of cards. Keep pushing and it'll collapse around us.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Mao and Stalin were psychopathic mass murderers and no mainstream British politician should ever be seen at events that glorify them. If Corbyn didn't want to appear communist then he and his inner circle and supporters should have steered well clear of these kind of things. Heck, given the notable support for Putin in the Morning Star, I'd question having anything to do with that rag either.

Well, yes. The Tories have been heavily implicated with Putin and there have been numerous accusations that Brexit was delivered in part by him. There have also been numerous accusations about Johnson himself and his links to compromised Russian figures.

Turned out well.

 

[Chewbacca]

My Mum wouldn’t vote for Corbyn because, and I quote, “the scruffy get didn’t wear a tie at the cenotaph“ and a friend believed he was an actual member of the IRA