NilSatisOptimum
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Ah well you can thank them now as they experience their political choice the inevitable result of a decade of Tory austerity that steadily weakened the state’s capacity to respond to shocks.
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He wasn't linked to him, he appointed him as one of his key allies. Lest we forget, McDonnell was his shadow Chancellor in the photo below. If they don't want to appear like communists then it's perhaps good not to give a speech in front of photos of Lenin, Stalin, and Mao. I remember in London the local Momentum group co-ran an event with the local Communist party to push for a "shared socialist future".
You get the sense that all he did was wear a Donkey jacket and that was enough to tar his reputation. He and his supporters sadly didn't do enough to distance himself from the communist party and its ideology, which is perhaps partly why so many opposed him and we ended up with the nightmare that was Johnson.
What, pray tell, is wrong with Lenin? Do people who might like Lenin not get allowed any freedom of opinion?
Its pretty obvious that Corbyn is not a Leninist as well.
Because Hitler tried to murder every single Jewish person that lived, anyone socially progressive, anyone homosexual etc purely on the basis of their sexuality/race etc.
Yet the rhetoric he spouted is mimicked by people like Farage, yet nobody is bothered.
I'm also unaware of that many links of Momentum members to the CPGB. Most of them were AWL members if they belonged to any left wing org.
While I accept that an uncomfortable number support the toad, I'm equally sure that a bloody lot of people are very bothered by him.
rebuild trust in politics by action?
so what action will be taken over boris and liz to name the first two. over to you richi, take your time mate*...
so what action will be taken over boris and liz to name the first two. over to you richi, take your time mate*...
Where are these figures from, Orlando Figes (the liar) or Robert Service (the Stalinist).
Like what credible, none CIA source puts religious dissidents at over 1 million?
Re the White prisoners of war, they were a fascist, racist army, who committed far greater atrocities. And it was a war. People die in wars. It's good fascists get killed in wars.
But no Tory politician seems to be castigated for their nonsense like Corbyn did, for being at a demonstration with someone on a banner.
I've been at a demo with banners of people whose actions I disagree with. It doesnt make me a mass murderer.
Unlike the likes of Priti Patel, or Braverman. Yet nothing happens to them.
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The Red Terror was a proper Kopite name. Down with these sorts. ?
For sure, I don't dispute that the reaction to events is probably not equal. I'm just saying it shouldn't be a surprise that Corbyn was linked with communism.
I mean it feels like idiocy to compare him to communism. Just as Rishi Sunak is not a Nazi.
Well that depends on perspective. I'm not sure wikipedia is the best source.
The Russian Revolution was an almost exclusively peaceful occurrence. The "tyrant" Lenin, then legalised all religions, legalised homosexuality, legalised abortion, divorce etc. This decades before the UK did so.
He was then invaded by 14 countries, with military budgets ranging into the billions into todays money. They worked alongside fascists and racists to murder and terrorise communities across Russia.
The Bolsheviks responded, as they had too. People were murdered. At times deserters were shot. War was awful. But Lenin didn't declare the war. Had he not fought, they would have been slaughtered.
Once the war was won, Lenin then liberalized via the NEP. He even argued against overly stringent measures (advocated by Trotsky and others). On his deathbed, he urged the party to not allow Stalin to have power, to devolve control and to enhance/develop democracy.
I digress slightly.
However, the idea he personally killed millions of people is utter nonsense, and not reflected in any historiography. It's also dubious to hold him accountable for deaths, caused by famines as a result of WW1 and the unnecessary civil war.
Under Lenin, real wages rose dramatically. It wasnt a utopia, but some context is needed. He shouldn't be lumped in with Mao and Stalin (who he vocally be vocally criticised) in my view.
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Not really sure if this is the right thread for this... but since you are all chatting about Corbyn, and Putin is making more nuclear threats today, it reminded me of this interview.... Is this not just another good example of why we should be glad Corbyn didn't get voted in at the last election? I wonder if Corbyn's desire for dialogue would have been effective with Putin?
He mentions Iran, North Korea & China. He forgot to mention Russia. Naive.
He mentions Iran, North Korea & China. He forgot to mention Russia. Naive.
What do you think happens if we Nuke Russia? It's the end of the world mate. We would destroy our planet.
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