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[mahermi1]

I agree, mate.

I was alluding to the uproar from the MSM when he dared suggest he would provide free broadband, in the same way, they did with the 4-day working week.

Yeah I get that haha same, trouble is Labour weren't getting in power with him in charge, much like when Michael Foot was in charge, yet a lot of their ideals were ordinary people's ideals, but the media done a fair bit of scaremongering to ensure ordinary people didn't vote for them.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

not if its a false attachment by an orchestrated media campaign, which is what he is saying

But it's not "that" false an attachment, is it? Andrew Murray and Seumas Milne were both strongly linked to the official Communisty party in the UK, and Corbyn was a regular Morning Star contributor. The policy positions of Corbyn and the Communist party are not exactly poles apart, even down to opposition to the EU. If Starmer can be tagged as a Blairite then Corbyn most certainly could be tagged a communist.

 

[Walken]

But it's not "that" false an attachment, is it? Andrew Murray and Seumas Milne were both strongly linked to the official Communisty party in the UK, and Corbyn was a regular Morning Star contributor. The policy positions of Corbyn and the Communist party are not exactly poles apart, even down to opposition to the EU. If Starmer can be tagged as a Blairite then Corbyn most certainly could be tagged a communist.

behave yourself

 

[ArtetaMoney]

That’s it then, Rishi has said he’ll sort everything out.

 

[tsubaki]

But it's not "that" false an attachment, is it? Andrew Murray and Seumas Milne were both strongly linked to the official Communisty party in the UK, and Corbyn was a regular Morning Star contributor. The policy positions of Corbyn and the Communist party are not exactly poles apart, even down to opposition to the EU. If Starmer can be tagged as a Blairite then Corbyn most certainly could be tagged a communist.

Not really - I mean, Corbyn didn't promote communism nor did he implement or propose communist policies. Saying he was linked to Milne who was linked to British Communists therefore he is a communist is absurd.

 

[woomy]

That’s it then, Rishi has said he’ll sort everything out.

I feel really comforted.
But seriously how many words can you say, without saying anything? Jesus wept.
Intrigued where these extra 20k police officers are coming from by April.
Also his plan to cut NHS waiting times down by half. Maybe he just plans to freeze/starve everyone to death,.so there will be no waiting list.
Or maybe ensure all staff leave, so no staff means no service which means no wait list.
Gonna be interesting to see the plan.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Not really - I mean, Corbyn didn't promote communism nor did he implement or propose communist policies. Saying he was linked to Milne who was linked to British Communists therefore he is a communist is absurd.

He wasn't linked to him, he appointed him as one of his key allies. Lest we forget, McDonnell was his shadow Chancellor in the photo below. If they don't want to appear like communists then it's perhaps good not to give a speech in front of photos of Lenin, Stalin, and Mao. I remember in London the local Momentum group co-ran an event with the local Communist party to push for a "shared socialist future".

You get the sense that all he did was wear a Donkey jacket and that was enough to tar his reputation. He and his supporters sadly didn't do enough to distance himself from the communist party and its ideology, which is perhaps partly why so many opposed him and we ended up with the nightmare that was Johnson.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I feel really comforted.
But seriously how many words can you say, without saying anything? Jesus wept.
Intrigued where these extra 20k police officers are coming from by April.
Also his plan to cut NHS waiting times down by half. Maybe he just plans to freeze/starve everyone to death,.so there will be no waiting list.
Or maybe ensure all staff leave, so no staff means no service which means no wait list.
Gonna be interesting to see the plan.

How many are in the Tory Youth?

 

[ArtetaMoney]

I feel really comforted.
But seriously how many words can you say, without saying anything? Jesus wept.
Intrigued where these extra 20k police officers are coming from by April.
Also his plan to cut NHS waiting times down by half. Maybe he just plans to freeze/starve everyone to death,.so there will be no waiting list.
Or maybe ensure all staff leave, so no staff means no service which means no wait list.
Gonna be interesting to see the plan.

All 5 pledges are to fix all the problems caused by his party, it annoys me that none of the journalists asked him about that.

 

[tsubaki]

He wasn't linked to him, he appointed him as one of his key allies. Lest we forget, McDonnell was his shadow Chancellor in the photo below. If they don't want to appear like communists then it's perhaps good not to give a speech in front of photos of Lenin, Stalin, and Mao. I remember in London the local Momentum group co-ran an event with the local Communist party to push for a "shared socialist future".

You get the sense that all he did was wear a Donkey jacket and that was enough to tar his reputation. He and his supporters sadly didn't do enough to distance himself from the communist party and its ideology, which is perhaps partly why so many opposed him and we ended up with the nightmare that was Johnson.

Right, so now its McDonnell standing in front of a banner (in a public area I might add that anyone had access to) on May Day that makes Corbyn a communist?

The problem here I think is revealed in your second paragraph - that because him and his supporters didn't do enough to distance themselves from communism is why so many opposed him and therefore Johnson won. This assumes that those people had a genuine basis for believing that (as in a knowledge of Corbyn and a knowledge of communism) when there is loads of evidence even on this forum that shows people didn't have it; they'd just believed the tidal wave of lies that were thrown out at him which ranged from being a traitor, to stealing elderly veteran's packed lunches all the way to being married to someone who exploited Latin American coffee growers.

It was all complete nonsense, but people listened to it anyway and they are still trying to fold themselves into definitions that they'd accept in no other walk of life.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Right, so now its McDonnell standing in front of a banner (in a public area I might add that anyone had access to) on May Day that makes Corbyn a communist?

The problem here I think is revealed in your second paragraph - that because him and his supporters didn't do enough to distance themselves from communism is why so many opposed him and therefore Johnson won. This assumes that those people had a genuine basis for believing that (as in a knowledge of Corbyn and a knowledge of communism) when there is loads of evidence even on this forum that shows people didn't have it; they'd just believed the tidal wave of lies that were thrown out at him which ranged from being a traitor, to stealing elderly veteran's packed lunches all the way to being married to someone who exploited Latin American coffee growers.

It was all complete nonsense, but people listened to it anyway and they are still trying to fold themselves into definitions that they'd accept in no other walk of life.

Come on. If a major politician gave a speech in front of a picture of Hitler (a picture that was supportive of Hitler) then you would rightly think that was crazy and have to associate that politician as also being supportive of Hitler. You asked why people thought Corbyn was far left when he's supposedly nothing of the sort. I'm merely pointing out that he, his inner circle, and the momentum group that put him in power have plenty of links to the communist party, so it's not "that" big a leap.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And, incidentally, as Labour leader he should have known that there are significant sections of the media who would be gunning for him no matter what, so it was incredibly naive politically to give them so much ammunition. Instead, he seemed to revel in the association and genuinely believe that the public was behind his plans for a more socialist Britain.

 

[tsubaki]

Come on. If a major politician gave a speech in front of a picture of Hitler (a picture that was supportive of Hitler) then you would rightly think that was crazy and have to associate that politician as also being supportive of Hitler. You asked why people thought Corbyn was far left when he's supposedly nothing of the sort. I'm merely pointing out that he, his inner circle, and the momentum group that put him in power have plenty of links to the communist party, so it's not "that" big a leap.

But its none of those things, Bruce. That photo was taken at the biggest socialist march of the year, which (COVID aside) has happened every year for the last few decades. At the march there are a wide range of left-wing views, indeed you can see that in the photo where there are other banners present.

To say that because one of those banners were present then everything else there present (McDonnell, the PCS, the pigeons) is as bad as it would be if Hitler was on the banner is risible. Did McDonnell advance communist ideas in his speech? No. Did he as Shadow Chancellor advance communist policy proposals? No. Is he a communist? No.

The truly maddening thing is that you'd never accept that sort of argument in any other context - for example, labelling all left and left-appearing opponents as communists is a common theme of the extreme right, including Nazis. Does that mean because you are doing it here that you are of the extreme right, irrespective of what you actually say, do, or believe?

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I mean with pretty good reason

I see Sunak got the 'boats' into his shortlist of priorities to help us out the mess we are in.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

the media have done that with most Labour leader's to be honest, the papers and media as a whole are run by very rich, selfich people, e.g. Murdoch and as you know it is in their interest to make sure people vote for the political party that is going to look after their own interests. They hated Michael Foot in much the same way because they feared him, because like Corbyn he was very clever and had the interests of ordinary people in his heart.

I am not sure I would describe Corbyn as being very clever. He is clearly a passionate man of principle but possibly a bit naive which was a big factor in his undoing.