Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[Aqui1a]

Stats can be misleading.

Often, the smaller sample is easily inflated.

Example;

I don't know you're trying to get across with this?

You said, "I'm more likely to be stopped and searched, arrested, killed and given a tougher prison sentence in China, India etc than a local." To which I replied, "And if you were a local in China/India, then it'd be racist for it to be more likely for you to be stopped/searched/arrested/killed/sentenced longer, wouldn't it." Don't you agree wit this?

 

[Bluerifleman]

Agreed, I just think they are trained poorly

Absolutely, I don't think our police are trained to a particular high standard either. Fortunately we don't have the need to arm all our police, I wouldn't trust some of them with a water pistol!

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Yes, but what was the point you were trying to make?

Point?

You told me to;

One instance :') Look at the stats

What stats?

Is there a stat out there saying every single suspect who resisted arrest got shot?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/31/the-counted-police-killings-2015-young-black-men

I'm showing you that those stats aren't exclusive to America.

The stats are universal, in countries which don't see excessive police killings.

For me then, the problem isn't institutional racism.

It's not a race thing, it's a gun thing...

I think it's fair to that blacks don't get equal treatment. If call that systemic racism.

Institutional racism.

 

[DrEFC]

Laughing at the "These cops once did a bad thing, this means ALL cops are rogue killing machines"

I bet you call them pigs, but when something bad happens, you'd be the first to call them.

I can say 1st hand that I've never had a positive experience with any encounter with police. Yeah I'd call them, but that's because its the law. As an institution, even in this country I'm not proud of them. That's even with friends who were in the met.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I can say 1st hand that I've never had a positive experience with any encounter with police. Yeah I'd call them, but that's because its the law. As an institution, even in this country I'm not proud of them. That's even with friends who were in the met.

Me either mate.

I still don't take the actions of a few to label them all.

 

[Aqui1a]

Me either mate.

I still don't take the actions of a few to label them all.

You can't say actions of a few when the statistics show it's not just a few. Regardless of whether it happens in other countries too...

 

[GrandOldTeam]

You can't say actions of a few when the statistics show it's not just a few.

I can, it was in response to this;

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/...-in-america-thread.85394/page-69#post-4653701

Police brutality isn't the norm, it's unfair (and stupid) to label all police officers the same.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Absolutely, I don't think our police are trained to a particular high standard either. Fortunately we don't have the need to arm all our police, I wouldn't trust some of them with a water pistol!

They need to be properly armed, but most of their work (>75%? >85%) is pure social work, and that's where (at least in my untrained opinion) these men in Louisiana and Minnesota failed--in perceiving and handling threats.

Not to mention the kid shot in the back in Chicago... the man suffocated on Staten Island... the kid killed in an Ohio park... the man killed shopping in Walmart...

Mistakes happen, but these mistakes happen disproportionately against blacks.

 

[Tubey]

So he deserves to die?

Deserves? Not really. Only a very few people deserve an early death.

But he put himself in a situation where he made his own death more likely.

People seem unable to accept the obvious - if he didn't resist arrest, he doesn't die.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Point?

Institutional racism.

That's a better word. It's maybe easy to say that the cops in these cases made bad decisions. It's much harder to say that they are racist. But it's not hard to say that the system is bent against black men. That's why I think "better training," which is maybe too broad a description, is the solution.

Of course, you want fewer guns, but I want a solution within my kids' lifetimes, and I hope none of them are ever shot by a cop because their skin is too dark.

 

[DrEFC]

Me either mate.

I still don't take the actions of a few to label them all.

Oh I'm not labelling all. I just feel the police in these cases are unlawful in their killing. Whether the victims being black had anything to influence that, I cannot answer. The advent of mobile phones has given the police less space to wriggle, & that's a good thing. They serve the public, they should answer to the public.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Pulling facts from twitter is dangerous, but this seems to be both true and common: #PhilandoCastile bled to death. No cops tended to him. Instead they cuffed his girlfriend. #FalconHeightsShooting

"To Serve and Protect"

 

[DrEFC]

Deserves? Not really. Only a very few people deserve an early death.

But he put himself in a situation where he made his own death more likely.

People seem unable to accept the obvious - if he didn't resist arrest, he doesn't die.

Oh it makes his death less likely. But did he have a gun (Alton that is)? If he did and he grabbed it, fair enough. If he didnt- they murdered him and they deserve life in prison.
You make it sound like the police are above the law, they serve us not the other way round.

 

[Bluerifleman]

They need to be properly armed, but most of their work (>75%? >85%) is pure social work, and that's where (at least in my untrained opinion) these men in Louisiana and Minnesota failed--in perceiving and handling threats.

Not to mention the kid shot in the back in Chicago... the man suffocated on Staten Island... the kid killed in an Ohio park... the man killed shopping in Walmart...

Mistakes happen, but these mistakes happen disproportionately against blacks.

It's a tricky one because these things involve split second decisions that can have fatal consequences. I think the first thing they could do is bring in a set of rules of engagement and adapt their tactics and procedures around that. The army has something called a card alpha which means a person has to be an imminent threat to somebody's life in order for you to take lethal action

 

[Khalekan]

It's true. You have an entry test, but there's no qualification required;

http://www.policecouldyou.co.uk/police-officer/am-i-eligible/index.html

Correct as well, otherwise the police force wouldn't be representative.

A lot of people think you need degrees etc to be a police officer - nope.

I knew a degree wasn't a requirement.....though in recent years I have noticed that more and more graduates of my acquaintance are entering the police if their degree is not getting them into the profession they had hoped it would.

I did think a few O levels or GCSE or A levels would have been a minimum requirement, though