Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[GrandOldTeam]

I sincerely hope that last bit isn't right.

Giving authority and weapons to the uneducated is a very scary thing.

It's true. You have an entry test, but there's no qualification required;

http://www.policecouldyou.co.uk/police-officer/am-i-eligible/index.html

Correct as well, otherwise the police force wouldn't be representative.

A lot of people think you need degrees etc to be a police officer - nope.

 

[Khalekan]

Ahh semantics on the internet. Just great.

In other words "no Khalekan, you did not".

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I don't know about the other nations, but U.S. Isn't lacking for sample size. Louisiana alone has 4million residents. Maybe we're lacking complete data (because police aren't required to report), but I doubt there's much sample size effect in this data.

Sample size - think comparatively. You said it yourself;

There are actually very few blacks in America (about 1 in 5, if that much). No doubt these circumstances happen with non black Americans, but where is the evidence that there are 4 deaths by cop for every 1 death of a black man? The incidences are disproportionate, and if so, then why? Either black men are violent animals, as some suggest, or cops treat them like violent animals.

Maybe the answer is more subtle (let's hope so) but these seem more obvious.

... I'm more likely to be stopped and searched, arrested, killed and given a tougher prison sentence in China, India etc than a local.

 

[Aqui1a]

Sample size - think comparatively. You said it yourself;



... I'm more likely to be stopped and searched, arrested, killed and given a tougher prison sentence in China, India etc than a local.

But the black people live there.. They are the locals. So I really don't understand this point. And if you were a local in China/India, then it'd be racist for it to be more likely for you to be stopped/searched/arrested/killed/sentenced longer, wouldn't it.

 

[DrEFC]

You're watching a different video to me, because what I see is a man who won't keep still and moments before he was shot made a move with his right arm as his head comes up.

Changes nothing. He doesn't resist arrest, that doesn't happen.

So he deserves to die?

 

[SerenityNigh]

Sample size - think comparatively. You said it yourself;



... I'm more likely to be stopped and searched, arrested, killed and given a tougher prison sentence in China, India etc than a local.

Surely you're not suggesting blacks aren't "local," or native to the U.S.? Emancipation from slavery purportedly gave them full citizenship and rights equal to all other Americans, although this has notably been a work in progress?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

But the black people live there.. They are the locals. So I really don't understand this point.

That is the point.

You sent me a link with stats saying black people are more likely than whites, based on % of the population, to be killed by a police officer.

The same is true for minorities/ethnics in every country - even when it is whites who are the minority - or at least, the 50 or so I reviewed.

Does this mean the all the countries are institutionally racist/xenophobic?

I don't think the crux of it is the American police being racist. I don't think it's because their police are lacking in standard and need extra training.

The reason why I think their police kill so many vs others is freedom of guns...

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Surely you're not suggesting blacks aren't "local," or native to the U.S.? Emancipation from slavery purportedly gave them full citizenship and rights equal to all other Americans, although this has notably been a work in progress?

Maybe try reading things twice mate, just to help you understand.

Sample size - think comparatively. You said it yourself;



... I'm more likely to be stopped and searched, arrested, killed and given a tougher prison sentence in China, India etc than a local.

I'm saying I'm not a local to China or India.

 

[Aqui1a]

That is the point.

You sent me a link with stats saying black people are more likely than whites, based on % of the population, to be killed by a police officer.

The same is true for minorities/ethnics in every country - even when it is whites who are the minority - or at least, the 50 or so I reviewed.

Does this mean the all the countries are institutionally racist/xenophobic?

I don't think the crux of it is the American police being racist. I don't think it's because their police are lacking in standard and need extra training.

The reason why I think their police kill so many vs others is freedom of guns...

I believe so, yes. I believe that's exactly what it means.

 

[Aqui1a]

Maybe try reading things twice mate, just to help you understand.



I'm saying I'm not a local to China or India.

Yes, but what was the point you were trying to make?

 

[SerenityNigh]

That is the point.

You sent me a link with stats saying black people are more likely than whites, based on % of the population, to be killed by a police officer.

The same is true for minorities/ethnics in every country - even when it is whites who are the minority - or at least, the 50 or so I reviewed.

Does this mean the all the countries are institutionally racist/xenophobic?

I don't think the crux of it is the American police being racist. I don't think it's because their police are lacking in standard and need extra training.

The reason why I think their police kill so many vs others is freedom of guns...

I think it's fair to that blacks don't get equal treatment. If call that systemic racism.

 

[Bluerifleman]

"To Serve & Protect"

Don't get me wrong they are from angels some of them, but a police officer still has the right to self-defence/preservation. if his (honest) assessment was that he was going for his weapon and is therefore a threat to somebody else's life then he has every right to pull the trigger

 

[SerenityNigh]

Yes, but what was the point you were trying to make?

And how does it apply to blacks in America?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

And if you were a local in China/India, then it'd be racist for it to be more likely for you to be stopped/searched/arrested/killed/sentenced longer, wouldn't it.

Stats can be misleading.

Often, the smaller sample is easily inflated.

Example;

Classic example; mass shootings.

Basically Anders Breivik made Norway the "worst" country for mass shootings through one incident.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Don't get me wrong they are from angels some of them, but a police officer still has the right to self-defence/preservation. if his (honest) assessment was that he was going for his weapon and is therefore a threat to somebody else's life then he has every right to pull the trigger

Agreed, I just think they are trained poorly