Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[Tubey]

Registration likely is in glove box, but no one keeps their license there.
People will have it in their wallet which for man will mean it is in a pocket.

Indeed, but after reaching for the pocket, the cop would have given an instruction to halt, which if the guy hasn't obeyed immediately has resulted in the cop shatting himself.

That's what we have to assume anyway, as it doesn't look like procedure wasn't followed - just that it went wrong at some point during it. Because all we see is an emotive video of after the incident, there's no way of knowing, but my instinct is that the guy wasn't executed for nothing given the reaction of the copper, who sounds distraught.

 

[joey_macmo]

Not really, it's saying you can be a big tough guy on the internet, but in reality, it's different...

Same here, we can judge in the comfort, but we weren't there.



They're not mate.

They're meant to be Joe public.

They're not meant to be super human.



You can't get over a comment on the internet, imagine how you'd cope to trying to detain someone with a gun.

The police are meant to be joe public and not held to a higher standard than the average citizen? Think about what you're saying there.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Thanks.

Here is another;

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You can crunch the numbers and % to meet whatever agenda...

I've done countless journals on BMEs - the latest - 'Critically evaluate continued claims that the police service in this country is characterised by an internal culture of exclusion and discrimination against BME officers'

I think our justice system does treat BMEs differently (conviction rates in particular) - but I don't think race is the crux of the issue with American police/gun control.

The race issue is very difficult to parse, but the numbers suggest it's an issue, even if unintentional. You might find interesting the NYT piece of the DA from my home town. Will post full text later if able. The only good thing I can say is that we voted him out.

 

[Tubey]

Mate. Can't go through all this now, but you might want to do some reading (or ask Damo to graph it for you).

TL;DR--blacks go to jail more because whites put them there

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/07/0...ecomes-blunt-spokesman-for-death-penalty.html

I've literally just said in that very post that they're more heavily policed.

But that's because they commit more crime, because they're not educated to the same levels in their communities and have lesser wealth.

So police have to use common sense and allocate resources where it is most likely needed.

It's a vicious circle, and the way out of it is social equality and opportunity. The police aren't executing blacks because they're black - they're killing them because blacks are involved in more of those incidents because of the way the USA is.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

There are actually very few blacks in America (about 1 in 5, if that much). No doubt these circumstances happen with non black Americans, but where is the evidence that there are 4 deaths by cop for every 1 death of a black man? The incidences are disproportionate, and if so, then why? Either black men are violent animals, as some suggest, or cops treat them like violent animals.

Maybe the answer is more subtle (let's hope so) but these seem more obvious.

BME statistics are disproportionate across pretty much every nation, across every level of judicial system.

Why is a BME more likely to receive a longer prison sentence? Not just in the UK/USA, but in Africa, Brazil, China, Japan...

Typically, it's because the smaller sample is easily inflated.

 

[sageyefc]

If the cop was black this wouldn't be getting so much exposure

 

[Khalekan]

Was he?

I'd imagine the conversation was this - the cop opens with 'licence and registration' (which is standard), followed by the guy saying 'sure, just to let you know I have a concealed weapon too.'

At that point, wait for the cop to ask you to step out the car, which is the logical next step. Instead, I reckon the guy has gone straight for his wallet after disclosing that and the cop has shat himself.h

I would too.

Imagination is a wonderful thing.....it can be used as bias confirmation to justify just about anything one wishes to be true.

Using that logic, one can then imagine that if the victim...the dead driver remember, not the cop.....had a pal sat in the back seat whom also had a gun, that pal would be justified in drawing said gun and shooting the cop before he had a chance to shoot his friend the driver whom was, in the eyes of his mate, merely reaching for his drivers licence.

This whole incident reeks of cops watching too many Dirty Harry movies.

Come 'ead punk.....make my day.

We had a similar revelation in Chilcott yesterday when we discovered that much of Blair's dodgy dossier was based on some spook describing Iraq's non existent WsMD in terms identical to sommat he had seen in a Hollywood movie.

And Blair et al swallowed it hook, line and sinker because that was so what they wanted to believe.

 

[Tubey]

BME statistics are disproportionate across pretty much every nation, across every level of judicial system.

Why is a BME more likely to receive a longer prison sentence? Not just in the UK/USA, but in Africa, Brazil, China, Japan...

Typically, it's because the smaller sample is easily inflated.

Classic example; mass shootings.

Basically Anders Breivik made Norway the "worst" country for mass shootings through one incident.

 

[Tubey]

Imagination is a wonderful thing.....it can be used as bias confirmation to justify just about anything one wishes to be true.

Using that logic, one can then imagine that if the victim...the dead driver remember, not the cop.....had a pal sat in the back seat whom also had a gun, that pal would be justified in drawing said gun and shooting the cop before he had a chance to shoot his friend the driver whom was, in the eyes of his mate, merely reaching for his drivers licence.

This whole incident reeks of cops watching too many Dirty Harry movies.

Come 'ead punk.....make my day.

We had a similar revelation in Chilcott yesterday when we discovered that much of Blair's dodgy dossier was based on some spook describing Iraq's non existent WsMD in terms identical to sommat he had seen in a Hollywood movie.

And Blair et al swallowed it hook, line and sinker because that was so what they wanted to believe.

Anyone looking at that video and coming to a conclusion is making a judgement - what's your point?

If you think he was killed for being black, you are also using 'imagination' to get to that view.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

The police are meant to be joe public and not held to a higher standard than the average citizen? Think about what you're saying there.

They're meant to be as representative of the society they serve as possible.

This is why there's no age limit, no height restriction and no formal educational requirement.

Go and look at a few police job descriptions/criteria... I've friends in the police who are less qualified than I and most certainly, joe public.

 

[Khalekan]

Anyone looking at that video and coming to a conclusion is making a judgement - what's your point?

If you think he was killed for being black, you are also using 'imagination' to get to that view.

Did I mention the word "black" or in any other way imply there was a racist element to it?

No....I did not.

That is you "imagining" things again.

 

[Tubey]

Did I mention the word "black" or in any other way imply there was a racist element to it?

No....I did not.

That is you "imagining" things again.

Ahh semantics on the internet. Just great.

 

[Khalekan]

They're meant to be as representative of the society they serve as possible.

This is why there's no age limit, no height restriction and no formal educational requirement.

I sincerely hope that last bit isn't right.

Giving authority and weapons to the uneducated is a very scary thing.

 

[mbyrd75]

The resisting arrest narrative doesn't hold up. Do people not resist arrest in Australia, the UK, Canada? Because US cops have killed more people in the last two years than cops in those 3 combined in the last two decades.

 

[SerenityNigh]

BME statistics are disproportionate across pretty much every nation, across every level of judicial system.

Why is a BME more likely to receive a longer prison sentence? Not just in the UK/USA, but in Africa, Brazil, China, Japan...

Typically, it's because the smaller sample is easily inflated.

I don't know about the other nations, but U.S. Isn't lacking for sample size. Louisiana alone has 4million residents. Maybe we're lacking complete data (because police aren't required to report), but I doubt there's much sample size effect in this data.