Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[ItsOKImAPilot]

On the BBC website 20 minutes ago;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36732908



I think this is a big part of the problem - police knowing the person has a gun on them...

Absolutely ridiculous. He told the officer that he had a weapon on him. If he had intent to kill the officer he would not have mentioned it. From what I know letting them know is what you're supposed to do. This is just maddening.

 

[Tubey]

Absolutely ridiculous. He told the officer that he had a weapon on him. If he had intent to kill the officer he would not have mentioned it. From what I know letting them know is what you're supposed to do. This is just maddening.

... then after telling him, shouldn't he have followed instruction instead of randomly reaching for his licence?

You can tell by the officer's voice he's gutted he felt he had to do it, but that's the point - he felt he had to do it.

It's not a race issue - it's an "Americans are all loaded to the eyeballs with guns and most of them are too stupid to own one" thing, to put it bluntly.

 

[joey_macmo]

Changes nothing. He doesn't resist arrest, that doesn't happen.

Mad how you're trying to justify getting killed as an acceptable result of resisting arrest

 

[joey_macmo]

... then after telling him, shouldn't he have followed instruction instead of randomly reaching for his licence?

You can tell by the officer's voice he's gutted he felt he had to do it, but that's the point - he felt he had to do it.

It's not a race issue - it's an "Americans are all loaded to the eyeballs with guns and most of them are too stupid to own one" thing, to put it bluntly.

Randomly reached for his license after being asked for his license and registration?

You're clutching big time there

 

[ijjysmith]

Same in Canada, not shooting everyone, but cop paranoia..

Got pulled over with a friend driving in Vancouver sone years a go. She said to me 'quick, put your hands on the dash..'

I was like, what? Seriously??

The cop approaches driver side, hand on sidearm. Literally expecting you to start shooting. Very frightening. You can see why these things happen, one false move or overly nervous person and it's goodnight.

*changes mind about moving to Canada

 

[Walken]

If you correlate those who carried out a hate campaign against lukaku, with those on the side of the police shooting black people, I believe you basically have a litmus test for who is a racist here

 

[ItsOKImAPilot]

... then after telling him, shouldn't he have followed instruction instead of randomly reaching for his licence?

You can tell by the officer's voice he's gutted he felt he had to do it, but that's the point - he felt he had to do it.

It's not a race issue - it's an "Americans are all loaded to the eyeballs with guns and most of them are too stupid to own one" thing, to put it bluntly.

I am at work so I cannot watch the video. Did the guy sound like he was resisting? Did he not want to hand over his license? In other words, was there any indication that he was going to get hostile?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Mad how you're trying to justify getting killed as an acceptable result of resisting arrest

Easy to be the big fella on the internet...

If I'm a police officer, and someone with a gun is resisting arrest/reaching for a gun - I'm confident my instinct would be to shoot them - but then it all depends on how you assess the situation.

It's difficult to know how you'd react without being in that situation but I'm sure many, if not most - would.

 

[Walken]

Easy to be the big fella on the internet...

If I'm a police officer, and someone with a gun is resisting arrest/reaching for a gun - I'm confident my instinct would be to shoot them - but then it all depends on how you assess the situation.

It's difficult to know how you'd react without being in that situation but I'm sure many, if not most - would.

easy to make assumptions on the internet

 

[Bruce Wayne]

On the BBC website 20 minutes ago;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36732908



I think this is a big part of the problem - police knowing the person has a gun on them...

So if stopped by a copper and asked do you have a gun and is it licensed, what do you say? What do the police expect someone to say in such a circumstance?

It just seems baffling to me. I mean the police know that people are legally allowed to have a gun, so you'd think that training would be heavily geared around dealing with such folks without having to shoot them at the first sign, or is that literally the only recourse here?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Reminds me of this;

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/family-guy-shot-dark-black-black-crime

 

[Tubey]

Randomly reached for his license after being asked for his license and registration?

You're clutching big time there

Was he?

I'd imagine the conversation was this - the cop opens with 'licence and registration' (which is standard), followed by the guy saying 'sure, just to let you know I have a concealed weapon too.'

At that point, wait for the cop to ask you to step out the car, which is the logical next step. Instead, I reckon the guy has gone straight for his wallet after disclosing that and the cop has shat himself.

I would too.

 

[Tubey]

So if stopped by a copper and asked do you have a gun and is it licensed, what do you say? What do the police expect someone to say in such a circumstance?

It just seems baffling to me. I mean the police know that people are legally allowed to have a gun, so you'd think that training would be heavily geared around dealing with such folks without having to shoot them at the first sign, or is that literally the only recourse here?

See post above, put yourself in the police officers shoes instead of immediately thinking it is a hate crime.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

So if stopped by a copper and asked do you have a gun and is it licensed, what do you say? What do the police expect someone to say in such a circumstance?

It just seems baffling to me. I mean the police know that people are legally allowed to have a gun, so you'd think that training would be heavily geared around dealing with such folks without having to shoot them at the first sign, or is that literally the only recourse here?

There is the problem.

It really doesn't matter - words don't matter.

When life can be taken in seconds, words don't matter.

They have a gun, and that makes the whole situation hit another level. Actions take precedent over words.

If that person, with the gun, doesn't follow instruction, or resists arrest - the police officer than has a decision to make. I'm sure the vast majority don't end up shooting, but a few inevitably will.

It's a direct consequence of their gun culture, rather than "cops going out killin' all the blacks"

 

[Tubey]

I am at work so I cannot watch the video. Did the guy sound like he was resisting? Did he not want to hand over his license? In other words, was there any indication that he was going to get hostile?

Doesn't show that part at all, but it doesn't look like he's resisted at all. What he has done is made a move for his pocket or whatever and it looks like the cop hasn't expected it after being told he's carrying a concealed weapon.

The cop sounds genuinely gutted too, which people are ignoring.

Again, it's a job where you're expected to control a population that could shoot you in the head in 2 seconds flat. Applying idealistic nonsense to such a situation is abysmal logic. As Dan says above, it's all about putting yourself in the shoes of the officer, and in these two situations, if the guy doesn't resist arrest or doesn't make a sudden move for his pocket, they aren't shot.