Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[GrandOldTeam]

Laughing at the "These cops once did a bad thing, this means ALL cops are rogue killing machines"

I bet you call them pigs, but when something bad happens, you'd be the first to call them.

 

[Tubey]

If they stopped killing black people that'd be a good step, too.

Here's a thought mate - those two cops with Alton Sterling, if they were horrific hate crime committers, why didn't they shoot him on sight instead of tazing him and attempting a take down?

Or why didn't the cop at the traffic shop just execute the guy immediately when getting to the window if he was a nu-KKK member?

Sorry, the race card here is played because it's easier for Americans to justify it as such instead of actually acknowledging the real problem. It's like ignoring a massive elephant in the room in order to look intently at a bit of fluff on the floor.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Ok, mate...



I'm sure it does, but I'm sure they're already trained.



Or, a funeral.

Here is one cop, making a traffic stop in America the other week. He's now dead.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/06/jerma...-death-dead-photos-facebook-record-rap-sheet/

No doubt that happens, but it doesn't seem to happen in equal measure. It's clear that cops are routinely putting citizens in danger to protect themselves. I'll assume that most regret their mistakes and if better trained many of these will go away. The alternative is less pleasant.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You said "If a cop making a traffic stop fears his life is at risk, he needs a new job."

In a country where everyone and their puppy has a gun.

So, again, you can't be serious, or you're seriously saying to be a police officer in the USA, you should leave your brain at home.

Have you seen the puppy's though?

U-S-A
U-S-A

 

[SerenityNigh]

You said "If a cop making a traffic stop fears his life is at risk, he needs a new job."

In a country where everyone and their puppy has a gun.

So, again, you can't be serious, or you're seriously saying to be a police officer in the USA, you should leave your brain at home.

On the contrary, I'd prefer cops here to use more brains and less roids.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

No doubt that happens, but it doesn't seem to happen in equal measure.

That's media proliferation for you.

It's clear that cops are routinely putting citizens in danger to protect themselves.

You can switch that sentence around...

I'll assume that most regret their mistakes

I bet this police officer the other week has regret.

and if better trained many of these will go away. The alternative is less pleasant.

I maintain that training will not impact the situation anywhere near as much as effective gun control.

I spent years studying the subject. I actually have the highest qualification on the subject to ever come from the NW of England and that experience formed an opinion which disagrees.

 

[Tubey]

On the contrary, I'd prefer cops here to use more brains and less roids.

Ahh, so you're an advocate of the "hey, I've just stopped a random car in a country where the driver is in all likelihood packing - best waltz over to the drivers door singing a song and hope for the best" approach.

Not what I'd go for, but hey ho.

 

[SerenityNigh]

 

[joey_macmo]

Easy to be the big fella on the internet...

If I'm a police officer, and someone with a gun is resisting arrest/reaching for a gun - I'm confident my instinct would be to shoot them - but then it all depends on how you assess the situation.

It's difficult to know how you'd react without being in that situation but I'm sure many, if not most - would.

A big fella?

What a strange term in the context?

The problem with what your saying is that your judging this on how a normal person would react.

A police officer is meant to be a standard above the average Joe, due to years of training and experience they are meant to (and do in most cases) handle these situations in a calm measured manner compared to average man in the street.

"Easy to be a big fella on the Internet"

Can't get over that to be honest, depressing that people think like that.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

???

What relevance does this have?

It it another race thing?

Is it another "Look, this white guy never got shot. If he was black, he would have..."

 

[joey_macmo]

Was he?

I'd imagine the conversation was this - the cop opens with 'licence and registration' (which is standard), followed by the guy saying 'sure, just to let you know I have a concealed weapon too.'

At that point, wait for the cop to ask you to step out the car, which is the logical next step. Instead, I reckon the guy has gone straight for his wallet after disclosing that and the cop has shat himself.

I would too.

So you're admitting that the cop would have asked him for his license and registration yet you think it's "random" that he reached for his license and registration?

See the problem?

 

[SerenityNigh]

That's media proliferation for you.



You can switch that sentence around...



I bet this police officer the other week has regret.



I maintain that training will not impact the situation anywhere near as much as effective gun control.

I spent years studying the subject. I actually have the highest qualification on the subject to ever come from the NW of England and that experience formed an opinion which disagrees.

Agree that gun control would make a larger impact, but use of excessive force by police wouldn't be hard to curb with better training. And this isn't a recent issue--it's just never been a mainstream (ie, white) issue until all phones recorded video.

The simple fact is that it happens a lot, a disproportionately to black men, and ignoring or rationalizing it is not the answer.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

A big fella?

What a strange term in the context?

Not really, it's saying you can be a big tough guy on the internet, but in reality, it's different...

Same here, we can judge in the comfort, but we weren't there.

The problem with what your saying is that your judging this on how a normal person would react.

A police officer is meant to be a standard above the average Joe

They're not mate.

They're meant to be Joe public.

They're not meant to be super human.

"Easy to be a big fella on the Internet"

Can't get over that to be honest, depressing that people think like that.

You can't get over a comment on the internet, imagine how you'd cope to trying to detain someone with a gun.

 

[SerenityNigh]

???

What relevance does this have?

It it another race thing?

Is it another "Look, this white guy never got shot. If he was black, he would have..."

Resisting arrest... Fighting a cop... Tubey can explain why he deserves the execution he'll get.

 

[Tubey]

So you're admitting that the cop would have asked him for his license and registration yet you think it's "random" that he reached for his license and registration?

See the problem?

After disclosing he had a weapon.

Also, licence and registration is standard and the cop would have expected glove compartment, not pocket. Again, we don't see how it happened, but the assumption is the cop would have said "hands away" and the guy hasn't done it quick enough.

But no, instead the cop is automatically a racist murderer.