Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread
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...the interview with the gun man's father is bizar and goes some way to explaining the problems that the son clearly had. The number of criminals who come from dysfunctional backgrounds underlines the fundamental responsibility parents have in bringing their children up.
Religion is hijacked by people on power trips or sometimes when they truly mis-interpret.
The problem is violence. Using Islam as a cover is no different from inventing weapons of mass destruction to justify supporting the America power trip. Using rendition to allow Ghaddafi to torture people then supporting his overthrow.
The US, us and France have given IS room to operate and reasons to grow due to total stupidity in the middle-east. We have reaped what we have sown. Obama's deal with Iran is the most sensible move in decades at least.
McBain
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Why certainly.
@dandydan
@RaleighBlue
Listen up. In 1996 we had a mass murder not unlike the one you guys seem to have every week. It didn't happen every week to us, but when it did happen, we were horrified. Mortified. We took a good, long hard look at the guns we had and we decided that in the good name of common sense we were mad as hell and weren't going to stand for it anymore. And by 'it', I mean guns. In that very same year we, as a Nation, decided that guns were the means to disaster. Not every one agreed, but we talked about it for a minute, reflected on the innocent dead who had just popped in for cup of coffee and spot of lunch and were massacred senselessly and made a collective, common sense decision.
Now, far be it for me to lecture you on your own affairs, I'm just telling you what we did. And it worked. Mass murders down 100%. Sure, if you are absolutely hell bent on murdering people or yourself, you'll find a way to do it. They reckon that Germanwings Pilot did one and the same and he didn't use a gun.
It's quite clearly common sense, that the 2nd Amendment, in this day and age, is just about the most ridiculous law in any Western country. It puts deadly weapons into the hands of the people that should never ever have a deadly weapon, and rather than protecting you, it has set you into a spiral to calamitous end. Would you also argue that every country should have their own Nuclear Weapons?
To us, to Amend this amendment doesn't look like you would give up your freedom, it would actually set you free.
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BirkenheadBlue
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Trump could, perversely, be the best thing to happen to the gun control lobby in a long time.
The main reason that the Republican establishment were desperate for him NOT to get the nomination is that they quite sensibly (and possibly correctly) feared a massive backlash from the voting public - including those usually too apathetic to vote - against Trump, and that they could wind up losing not only the White House, but the Senate and Congress as a result.
IF this happens (and with any luck it will do) it would give the best opportunity in a long time for honest to god gun law reform.
Mountfield1985
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I disagree mate. He drove for 2 hours to get to the club, if he wanted to kill indiscriminately he wouldn't of driven passed countless non-gay bars/clubs to get there. By all accounts of ex-colleagues he would constantly make homophobic comments, his dad even talked about him being disgusted at the sight of two men kissing. Make no mistake, it was a calculated and targeted attack. It couldn't of just happened anywhere. He wanted to kill gay/LGBT people.
Americans gun laws are rightly under scrutiny but there are also some serious questions to be asked about homophobia and how seriously we take it in the media. If this was a white man with a history of racism who'd travelled for 2 hours to open fire in a predominantly black club, this would be receiving very different coverage right now. I've been quite shocked at some of the commentators on the news dismissing the homophobic element of the attack, and the effect it is going to have on the LGBT community.
Given that a lot of the argument seems to be around self-defence, it often baffles me just why none of these armed rampages are ever halted by a member of the public rather than a professional law enforcement team. I've read statistics suggesting that a gun held at home for self defence is more likely to be used against the home-owner by a criminal than it is to be used by the home-owner against a criminal.
I'm just not sure quite where the idea that owning a gun is a good means of defending oneself comes from.
dandydan
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Australia has a different mindset to America. That's the problem.
dandydan
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A lot of massacres were carried were carried out in places that prohibit guns.
*shrug*
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/ *
People have studied the number of criminals going to hospital with gun-shot wounds, and virtually none are the result of being shot by law-abiding citizens.
Ok, so you might say that it's there as a deterrent rather than designed to be actually used, but the same study suggests that a firearm in the home is much more likely to be used to intimidate a partner than it is to ward off a criminal.
*I'm going with the opinion that Harvard are both a respected and neutral source here
McBain
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It sure does Dan.
dandydan
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So they are saying most shootings are carried out by street criminals unlikely to comply with a gun ban?
All too willing to have a pop at the Jews mind. It's these mad conspiracy theories that brought on the rise of antisemitism in Europe.
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