Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[Rob17896]

Possibly because they're acutely aware any and everyone has a gun in response, so they shoot first, ask questions later to protect their own lives.

It's a vicious circle of stupidity.

You are probably right.

 

[Tubey]

As has been stated most gun deaths in America are committed by people who are prohibited to own firearms or who have bought a gun illegally.
Mass shootings generate more headlines the same way one plane crash a year is more newsworthy than thousands of individual car crashes.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html?_r=0

The vast majority of guns used in 15 recent mass shootings, including at least two of the guns used in the San Bernardino attack, were bought legally and with a federal background check. At least eight gunmen had criminal histories or documented mental health problems that did not prevent them from obtaining their weapons.

 

[Blues Harp]

Yep.

According to his parents, he was a homophobe who was getting increasingly angry over homosexuals. He was also a muslim.

As it happens there are a great many muslim organisations who happen to believe that homosexuals deserve to die.

This guy found one which matched his beliefs on gays and acted as they've been acting.

Talk about guns and hate all you like but don't ignore that the world currently has a massive islamic problem.

listen the world has a religion problem be it isis or christian( ??) crusaders just grow up lad

 

[Allezfan]

As has been stated most gun deaths in America are committed by people who are prohibited to own firearms or who have bought a gun illegally.
Mass shootings generate more headlines the same way one plane crash a year is more newsworthy than thousands of individual car crashes.

I'm not one of those people who like to tell americans how to run their country. I know enough to know that gun rights are a hugely complicated thing and it's not as simple as ban then and end violence.

I just feel the need to point that the uk has managed by and large to reduce gun deaths to really low levels and while that has resulted in mroe knife crime, our murder rate per thousand people is still 1/4 of that of the us. It can be done. And I hope that by whatever means more countries manage to do the same.

What happened today is appaling and it would be nice to see less of it.

Mind I happen to believe that stopping jihadism would be a better method of preventing this than stopping guns.

 

[Allezfan]

listen the world has a religion problem be it isis or christian( ??) crusaders just grow up lad

Did I suddenly end up in 1165? The world does not have a crusader problem. The second most violent religion right now after islam is probably buddhism.

 

[Gladystweet]

It's quite straight forward for me.

As an average person, if I wanted to go on a shooting spree, I'd be stopped at the first hurdle by the simple fact I would literally have zero clue where to get a gun from.

In America, it's like buying a bar of chocolate.

There isn't a single logical reason for allowing any and everyone to have free access to firearms. And don't say it isn't 'free access' as it quite clearly is in practice.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html?_r=0

Oddly enough, the same country where you can't buy a kinder egg...twisted logic.

 

[dandydan]

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html?_r=0

The vast majority of guns used in 15 recent mass shootings, including at least two of the guns used in the San Bernardino attack, were bought legally and with a federal background check. At least eight gunmen had criminal histories or documented mental health problems that did not prevent them from obtaining their weapons.

And those are a drop in the ocean compared to people killed daily with illegal guns. But nobody cares about a couple of crips murdered in a drive by.

 

[Blues Harp]

Did I suddenly end up in 1165? The world does not have a crusader problem. The second most violent religion right now after islam is probably buddhism.

Sheesh do some research please and tell me why you think that - seriously xx

 

[Allezfan]

And those are a drop in the ocean compared to people killed daily with illegal guns. But nobody cares about a couple of crips murdered in a drive by.

Aren't ilegal guns normally legal guns stolen from the houses of law abiding citizens?

 

[neil999]

Texas, the most gun friendly state agrees.
The handgun licensing law sets out the eligibility criteria that must be met. For example, an applicant must be eligible to purchase a handgun under the State and Federal laws (including an age restriction of 21), however an exception is granted to active members of the military who are age 18 and over. Additionally, a number of factors may make a person ineligible (temporarily or permanently) to obtain a license, including:

• felony convictions (permanent) and Class A or B misdemeanors (5 years, permanent in cases of domestic violence), including charges that resulted in probation or deferred adjudication;
• pending criminal charges (indefinite until resolved);
• chemical or alcohol dependency (defined as 2 convictions for substance-related offenses in a 10-year period; 10-year ban from the date of the first conviction);
• certain types of psychological diagnoses (indefinite until the condition is testified by a medical professional as being in remission);
• protective or restraining orders (indefinite until rescinded); or
• defaults on taxes, student loans, child support and/or other governmental fees (indefinite until resolved).[5]

Texas has no ban on assault weapons such as AR-15s or AK-47s, and there is no legal limit to the number of rounds a magazine or clip can hold.

Why???

 

[dandydan]

I'm not one of those people who like to tell americans how to run their country. I know enough to know that gun rights are a hugely complicated thing and it's not as simple as ban then and end violence.

I just feel the need to point that the uk has managed by and large to reduce gun deaths to really low levels and while that has resulted in mroe knife crime, our murder rate per thousand people is still 1/4 of that of the us. It can be done. And I hope that by whatever means more countries manage to do the same.

What happened today is appaling and it would be nice to see less of it.

Mind I happen to believe that stopping jihadism would be a better method of preventing this than stopping guns.

Never assumed you did. But a lot of the ban supporters don't envisage the problems introducing and enforcing such a thing might cause.

 

[harris78]

Make shooting people illegal regardless of circumstances, people who want to own guns can but if they shoot anyone they go to jail

I'm not sure how that is going to help though bud. Anyone who is carrying out a mass shooting isnt too concerned about whether he/she is going to jail by the time he/she has finished.

 

[BMFin]

I'm still shocked because we've been there with some of our gay friends in a rather large group more than once. It's a very hard venue to enter and exit, most would be sitting ducks.

Sadly, I'm sure that either a friend personally knew someone, or I did.

 

[Kurt.]

why wouldn't I?

you'd probably really want to but you wouldn't.

 

[Gladystweet]

I think if someone is hellbent on killing people they're going to do it by any means they can, if they can't get hold of a gun, they use knives, bombs, incendiary devices, or whatever they can get their mucky hands on. Yes, guns have a devastating effect due to the large casualty count. If this lunatic decided to go on a killing spree with a knife, and was stopped after killing just one person, that's still one too may. Sadly, there are many problems in this world and we only sit up and take notice when there's a high body count.