Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[DanEFC92]

http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-36131

 

[Allezfan]

He rang the police to pledge his alliance to ISiS as he was gunning everyone down mate.

Yep.

According to his parents, he was a homophobe who was getting increasingly angry over homosexuals. He was also a muslim.

As it happens there are a great many muslim organisations who happen to believe that homosexuals deserve to die.

This guy found one which matched his beliefs on gays and acted as they've been acting.

Talk about guns and hate all you like but don't ignore that the world currently has a massive islamic problem.

 

[dandydan]

Seems to have worked in every single civilised country that has done it...

Really? Name some.

 

[Allezfan]

Really? Name some.

The 1689 british bill of rights guaranteed the right of (non catholic) british people to bear arms.

That law was changed later and gun crime in the uk is relatively low as a result.

 

[Rob17896]

If I'm ever shot by some lunatic who shouldn't have owned a gun in the first place, I hope it happens on a Monday and not a Friday.

Easy to get guns anywhere now. As long as we foster hate between nations and groups this sort of stuff will continue. Probably IS related this time but there is always someone. Was not too long ago we had a big problem in Ireland. How did we manage to end up in that state with neighbours? Cant fathom people myself.

 

[Congen]

Naturally, like any major change process.

That shouldn't be an excuse or put people off.

It should start soon or this will continue for long long time.

No you wouldn't mate.

why wouldn't I?

 

[dandydan]

The 1689 british bill of rights guaranteed the right of (non catholic) british people to bear arms.

That law was changed later and gun crime in the uk is relatively low as a result.

People are still being killed by guns. Banning them hasn't stopped criminals being criminals.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/21/england-wales-homicides-rise-knife-gun-crime

 

[dandydan]

Easy to get guns anywhere now. As long as we foster hate between nations and groups this sort of stuff will continue. Probably IS related this time but there is always someone. Was not too long ago we had a big problem in Ireland. How did we manage to end up in that state with neighbours? Cant fathom people myself.

Handguns are still legal in NI, but not the rest of the U.K.

 

[Rob17896]

The idea of being able to posses a firearm in the US is so engrained into their psyche, that it's almost impossible to have a reasoned debate.

I've watched a few videos of these open carry demonstrators wandering around with assault rifles, and it's as if they go out purely to antagonise.

Just because they can carry a firearms doesn't mean you should. Just like legally I can cheat on my wife, but doesn't mean I should go and do it.

The police are having to expend resources to monitor these people, and often get into trouble due to searches etc, just so they can prove a point.

Personally, I've used firearms in the past as a part of my job, but I have no desire or motive to even consider wanting to own one. It's madness!

On another note, I saw an interesting video on social media the other day which shows the locations of mass shootings within the US during 2015.

What I noticed was that they were primarily in the Southern or Western/Eastern states, while many of the Northern states had none at all.

Noticeably, Nevada was an exception to the rule which had none either. Any Americans have an idea why it's primarily a Southern issue?

Culture is important though. Canada has lots of guns and few problems I believe. They use them for practical purpose. The police in the US appear trigger happy, that will not help.

 

[Allezfan]

People are still being killed by guns. Banning them hasn't stopped criminals being criminals.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/21/england-wales-homicides-rise-knife-gun-crime

If you only approve of laws that stop all crime then why even make murder illegal in the first place?

The murder rate in the uk is lower than the murder rate in the us.

I personally would rather see 1 person die than 8. I don't view a law that reduces murders but does not eliminate them as useless.

 

[Tubey]

It's quite straight forward for me.

As an average person, if I wanted to go on a shooting spree, I'd be stopped at the first hurdle by the simple fact I would literally have zero clue where to get a gun from.

In America, it's like buying a bar of chocolate.

There isn't a single logical reason for allowing any and everyone to have free access to firearms. And don't say it isn't 'free access' as it quite clearly is in practice.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html?_r=0

 

[Rob17896]

Handguns are still legal in NI, but not the rest of the U.K.

Did not know that!

 

[Tubey]

Culture is important though. Canada has lots of guns and few problems I believe. They use them for practical purpose. The police in the US appear trigger happy, that will not help.

Possibly because they're acutely aware any and everyone has a gun in response, so they shoot first, ask questions later to protect their own lives.

It's a vicious circle of stupidity.

 

[dandydan]

Allowing mentally ill people to buy guns is more stupid though.

Texas, the most gun friendly state agrees.
The handgun licensing law sets out the eligibility criteria that must be met. For example, an applicant must be eligible to purchase a handgun under the State and Federal laws (including an age restriction of 21), however an exception is granted to active members of the military who are age 18 and over. Additionally, a number of factors may make a person ineligible (temporarily or permanently) to obtain a license, including:

• felony convictions (permanent) and Class A or B misdemeanors (5 years, permanent in cases of domestic violence), including charges that resulted in probation or deferred adjudication;
• pending criminal charges (indefinite until resolved);
• chemical or alcohol dependency (defined as 2 convictions for substance-related offenses in a 10-year period; 10-year ban from the date of the first conviction);
• certain types of psychological diagnoses (indefinite until the condition is testified by a medical professional as being in remission);
• protective or restraining orders (indefinite until rescinded); or
• defaults on taxes, student loans, child support and/or other governmental fees (indefinite until resolved).[5]

 

[dandydan]

If you only approve of laws that stop all crime then why even make murder illegal in the first place?

The murder rate in the uk is lower than the murder rate in the us.

I personally would rather see 1 person die than 8. I don't view a law that reduces murders but does not eliminate them as useless.

As has been stated most gun deaths in America are committed by people who are prohibited to own firearms or who have bought a gun illegally.
Mass shootings generate more headlines the same way one plane crash a year is more newsworthy than thousands of individual car crashes.