Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[Martin Alvito]

Why not start with just banning military weapons? Surely it shouldnt be hard as your not infringing on anyones rights to bear arms, just certain ones.

If these mass shooters had hand guns, shotguns etc then they would still be able to murder but the list would be a lot shorter plus it may give people a chance to stop him.

They were outlawed for ten years until the sunset provision in the legislation kicked in. It's probably not a coincidence that only one of the deadliest mass shootings occurred during the ban.

The one that did occur (Columbine) during the ban shows us that someone sufficiently determined will find a soft target, catch them unprepared and kill a lot of people as long as firearms are legal, irrespective of what's legal.

The one in Ohio speaks to your point that that any given mass shooting likely would be much less deadly under a ban. Compare what happened at Columbine, and the comparative eternity those shooters had, to what happened in 30 seconds in Dayton with a 100 round magazine.

An assault weapons ban won't stop mass shootings, but it's a start on addressing the problem. To understand why that hasn't happened, you have to understand that the NRA has been completely captured by the gun lobby and that the industry's profits for the last fifteen years have come largely as a result of very successfully marketing assault weapons. As a result, they are willing to spend a lot of money to keep the golden goose from getting killed off.

 

[BlueTX]

The guy who sent the pipe bombs to CNN and various democrats including Obama and Clinton has been sentenced to 20 years in prison.

20 years?

The celebrated case (celebrated by the GOP, of course) of the Hispanic green card holder who mistakenly checked "citizen" on a voter registration form and got a voter ID card allowing her to vote in elections for 10 years in Texas got 8 years in prison.

As a side note: She registered as a Republican and voted for the current Attorney General, a Republican, who prosecuted her.

 

[BlueTX]

This morning in a suburb of San Antonio, just a few blocks from a high school, a 15-year old kid was shot in the face with an AR-15 at his parents' home by the 21-year old friend of his brother. No word yet on who owned the gun. Manhunt underway for the shooter.

The 15-year old kid is dead.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Statistically the number of mass shootings in the US has stayed the same since the 1970s.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Statistically the number of mass shootings in the US has stayed the same since the 1970s.

Have you a source for that as the data I’ve seem is different, at least in number of casualties.

More Guns, More Mass Shootings—Coincidence?

America now has 300 million firearms, a barrage of NRA-backed gun laws—and record casualties from mass killers.

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And the FBI says that the number of what it terms “ active shooter incidents” has grown considerably since 2000

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[St. Domingo]

Well I for one would take them all away. In fact I would even let them have water pistols or toy guns, they have abused the right to even pretend now...

But given that would be impossible a good start would be increasing the age limit to be able to buy any gun to 21 (you can buy a gun before being able to drink? WTF) and better background checks and the complete ban of semi automatics and rapid fire modifications.

I agree with that - you should be 21 to buy a gun. You should be 21 to vote too but that's for another thread. Better background checks wouldn't have stopped either of these shootings. What does "semi automatic" weapons mean? Most people don't know. That's the issue with that

 

[St. Domingo]

No. It was a racist manifesto written to help the original sheriffs literally round up people of colour who needed guns to make them look tough.

Still to this day precious white boys need guns to help make a point.

Most gun crime and gun related murder in America is committed overwhelmingly by people of colour. True story

Deaths Due to Firearms and Death Rates per 100,000 Population by Race/Ethnicity | KFF State Health Facts

State level data on Deaths Due to Firearms and Death Rates per 100,000 Population by Race/Ethnicity from KFF, the leading health policy organization in the U.S.

www.kff.org

 

[Toffee in Jandals]

Most gun crime and gun related murder in America is committed overwhelmingly by people of colour. True story

Deaths Due to Firearms and Death Rates per 100,000 Population by Race/Ethnicity | KFF State Health Facts

State level data on Deaths Due to Firearms and Death Rates per 100,000 Population by Race/Ethnicity from KFF, the leading health policy organization in the U.S.

www.kff.org

That's great. Do you also have statistics on social inequalities which lead to crime? Or racial bias in the American judicial system?

 

[St. Domingo]

Well the shooter had an AK-47. Not legal to buy in America, own, or even in stores. Not supporting mass shootings but any gun laws, the bad guys will still find a way to get a gun.
Obviously something needs to be done. I live in Louisiana and most people I know own 15-30 guns for hunting purposes. Never been a mass shooting here.
I do feel sorry for the communities in El Paso and Ohio for their loss. Sick twisted people are out there. Action does need to be taken in some way.

Finally a bit sense

I too know people who own guns. I've shot hand guns myself, too

I've lived in Chicago - one of the most violent cities in America

I've never seen a shooting. I've never been threatened with a gun. I don't anyone who has, including my wife who was born here

The notion America is the wild west is just so stupid, genuinely thick. Why the hell do so many Brits come out here on holday if the streets are so unsafe?

And why, even in spite of Trump, do so many people want to move here? As someone who's gone through the immigration process, the queues for Green Cards have never been longer

 

[St. Domingo]

That's great. Do you also have statistics on social inequalities which lead to crime? Or racial bias in the American judicial system?

How does poverty make you want to shoot people? I thought the problem was guns, not poverty?

If statistically minorities commit most gun crime which they do, then more minorities are going to be locked up. It's not rocket science

 

[SteveSC]

Finally a bit sense

I too know people who own guns. I've shot hand guns myself, too

I've lived in Chicago - one of the most violent cities in America

I've never seen a shooting. I've never been threatened with a gun. I don't anyone who has, including my wife who was born here

The notion America is the wild west is just so stupid, genuinely thick. Why the hell do so many Brits come out here on holday if the streets are so unsafe?

And why, even in spite of Trump, do so many people want to move here? As someone who's gone through the immigration process, the queues for Green Cards have never been longer

You are a clueless [Poor language removed] who is a liar as well.

To ignore America's glaring issues by claiming people still want to come here is as stupid and ignorant as we all expect off you.

Are you really washing the tragedies with the excuse that people want to move here still. Shame on you you horrid multi.

 

[St. Domingo]

Statistically the number of mass shootings in the US has stayed the same since the 1970s.

Ssshhh, don't throw facts at them

 

[St. Domingo]

The guy who sent the pipe bombs to CNN and various democrats including Obama and Clinton has been sentenced to 20 years in prison.

What's that got to do with guns?

 

[SteveSC]

Ssshhh, don't throw facts at them

Who's this them you bad racist multi

 

[St. Domingo]

Read in today's i newspaper that the NRA gave Trump $30 million in 2016 for his presidential campaign.

He's not going to bite the hand that feeds him.

How much did Planned Parenthood - America's biggest abortion provider, founded by a racist to keep black numbers down - give Hillary Clinton in 2016?