Current Affairs The 2020 United States Presidential Election

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Must admit I haven't watched/read much. But from your own quoted text...



I thought that was the issue, like how they declared one of the states first for Biden etc.
Yeah. They're going to Parlor, they're going to those seriously fringe places. Go look at that post above. These aren't rational people.
 
Yeah. They're going to Parlor, they're going to those seriously fringe places. Go look at that post above. These aren't rational people.

No, that's what I meant - I thought you meant Fox News' ratings had plummeted because they'd gone more extreme, not the viewers.

I think the viewers have stayed the same mate; I just think Fox "betrayed" them by being objective for a few hours.
 
You know, the only time a Labour leader attempted to appeal to centre-right Tory voters in the last... ohhhh... 40+ years... well, that resulted in the only Labour government we've had in all that time.

Every time they didn't, they lost.

So I don't think it's a bad idea to open up ideologically if you want to get into power and actually enact change.

Whereas not doing so just results in Tory rule and all their ideological excesses.
Miliband's chasing of public opinion (tighter benefit sanctions, reduced EU immigration etc.) rather than shaping it by setting out what he genuinely stood for and pandering to the right had precisely the opposite effect. Kinnock as well.

Don't forget that Blair haemorrhaged four million voters over his three terms - the types who don't identify as anything except for ex-labour voters and foam at the mouth at the mention of New Labour (partly because of the narratives ran by the media following Iraq invasion, EU expansion and the financial crisis against which the LP didn't push back).

Ideology and pragmatism need to be balanced is what I think you're trying to say and I completely agree, but when you're talking about things which are objectively true or false, it benefits nobody to engage imo.

Like you said, however, incremental gains in certain aspects of policy will no doubt be on the agenda with the likes of Manchin effectively holding the casting vote
 
Miliband's chasing of public opinion (tighter benefit sanctions, reduced EU immigration etc.) rather than shaping it by setting out what he genuinely stood for and pandering to the right had precisely the opposite effect. Kinnock as well.

Don't forget that Blair haemorrhaged four million voters over his three terms - the types who don't identify as anything except for ex-labour voters and foam at the mouth at the mention of New Labour (partly because of the narratives ran by the media following Iraq invasion, EU expansion and the financial crisis against which the LP didn't push back).

Ideology and pragmatism need to be balanced is what I think you're trying to say and I completely agree, but when you're talking about things which are objectively true or false, it benefits nobody to engage imo.

Like you said, however, incremental gains in certain aspects of policy will no doubt be on the agenda with the likes of Manchin effectively holding the casting vote

I researched him quite a bit after Kavanaugh. It seems like he very rarely votes against Dems when the vote actually matters.

For example, the $2,000 cheque thing. It seems he'll vote against because it'll pass anyway.

Plus you have Romney and there's a female Republican whose name escapes me who is "on the fence" too on a lot of things?

Anyway, point is there'll be the odd hiccup in the road but generally, with the Georgia runoff win, Biden will get largely what he wants through.

As for Blair, yes he did, but he initially won. He screwed up afterwards, but the fact remains he won. Milliband and Kinnock weren't comparable to New Labour; indeed Ed was easily painted as "Red Ed".
 
No, that's what I meant - I thought you meant Fox News' ratings had plummeted because they'd gone more extreme, not the viewers.

I think the viewers have stayed the same mate; I just think Fox "betrayed" them by being objective for a few hours.
The viewers are literally discussing killing police and government officials on another format because Fox wasn't to their liking. I honestly don't know how you can say they've stayed the same.
 
Ah, that would be the Wirral of the U.S., no?
Parts of it probably aren't that good.
I live on the Wirral and I’ve been to Arkansas and there’s no need for that. Admittedly I only know my corner of the Wirral and I’ve only been to Helena-West Helena in Arkansas and thoroughly enjoyed my times there , all areas have good and bad parts, we’re all on the same (blue) side.
 

They're still at it on Parler. Using the platforms 'free speech' to call for a full on armed insurrection on the 19th.


Very surprising to see some of these Parler users calling for violence. I would have expected a user named @waffenss to have a nuanced view on this weeks events.
 
Spot on. And to a lesser extent, Gordon Brown and 'Bigotgate'.

You don't have to agree with people to listen to them. You can disagree and reason back.

Compromise basically. It's an increasingly lost art, despite being by far and away the most effective way of winning and getting things done politically.
Nah I disagree. The BBC has been trying to give a sympathetic ear to these harbingers of bigotry for ages. Has got us nowhere.
 
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