Current Affairs The 2020 United States Presidential Election

[Tubey]

Hahaha

 

[Shevin Keedy]

Hahaha

You sure that you are ok with it though?

 

[Deleted member 43796]

I researched him quite a bit after Kavanaugh. It seems like he very rarely votes against Dems when the vote actually matters.

For example, the $2,000 cheque thing. It seems he'll vote against because it'll pass anyway.

Plus you have Romney and there's a female Republican whose name escapes me who is "on the fence" too on a lot of things?

Anyway, point is there'll be the odd hiccup in the road but generally, with the Georgia runoff win, Biden will get largely what he wants through.

As for Blair, yes he did, but he initially won. He screwed up afterwards, but the fact remains he won. Milliband and Kinnock weren't comparable to New Labour; indeed Ed was easily painted as "Red Ed".

Hmmm Ed's policy diverged massively from Ed's personal politics, and Kinnock's failure was before society's massively rightward economic shift, so I'd say they were comparable in that they both alienated their core voter base whilst failing to pick up sufficient votes from other targeted demographics.
A not insignificant element of Labour's current electability issues (of which there are many) is the New Labour legacy amongst the electorate, which has thus made it harder in certain circles to pick up votes again which seem to have now been lost for a generation. So Blair's decision to not be more redistributive and invest in infrastructure etc. outside of the South East has ultimately cost the party in the long term imo.

Someone who I thought very eloquently articulated the issue of society's increasing fragmentation and polarisation is David Bowie in this interview with Paxman from over 20 years ago (3.30-5.10)

 

[tsubaki]

Apple Has Threatened To Ban Parler From The App Store

The social networking app favored by conservatives has been given 24 hours to institute a moderation policy.

www.buzzfeednews.com

They're still at it on Parler. Using the platforms 'free speech' to call for a full on armed insurrection on the 19th.

David Vance lol

that man is a cretins' cretin

 

[Tubey]

You sure that you are ok with it though?

What, Trump being banned?

Sure. Bit different when someone actually commits a crime - he literally incited an insurrection using the platform.

Similar reason as to why allowing someone like the mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik a voice on Twitter would be stupid. Some people just don't have that right after they commit certain actions.

 

[Shevin Keedy]

What, Trump being banned?

Sure. Bit different when someone actually commits a crime - he literally incited an insurrection using the platform.

Similar reason as to why allowing someone like the mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik a voice on Twitter would be stupid. Some people just don't have that right after they commit certain actions.

I see.

 

[Tubey]

Hmmm Ed's policy diverged massively from Ed's personal politics, and Kinnock's failure was before society's massively rightward economic shift, so I'd say they were comparable in that they both alienated their core voter base whilst failing to pick up sufficient votes from other targeted demographics.
A not insignificant element of Labour's current electability issues (of which there are many) is the New Labour legacy amongst the electorate, which has thus made it harder in certain circles to pick up votes again which seem to have now been lost for a generation. So Blair's decision to not be more redistributive and invest in infrastructure etc. outside of the South East has ultimately cost the party in the long term imo.

Someone who I thought very eloquently articulated the issue of society's increasing fragmentation and polarisation is David Bowie in this interview with Paxman from over 20 years ago (3.30-5.10)

As said, Blair made many mistakes - I don't really disagree with what you've said. But he won.

You can be on the left, morally pristine and protest all day and night - but you'll never be in a position of power to actually do anything because you aren't appealing to a majority of the country to win an election.

Blair understood that. New Labour was the result, and they won.

 

[tsubaki]

As said, Blair made many mistakes - I don't really disagree with what you've said. But he won.

You can be on the left, morally pristine and protest all day and night - but you'll never be in a position of power to actually do anything because you aren't appealing to a majority of the country to win an election.

Blair understood that. New Labour was the result, and they won.

not this again

Blair won because he managed to get almost all the media on his side - thats why he was never demonised to anything like the same extent as Brown, Miliband or Corbyn. Its why he was able to survive problems like foot and mouth, Iraq, tuition fees and all the rest.

That was a one time deal as well; paid for by turning a blind eye to rampant criminality. That option is not going to be available to any Labour leader again, even if they wanted to do it, since the same media have gone so far in support of Johnson now that his fall (after the disaster of the pandemic and Brexit) will take most of them with him.

 

[Tubey]

not this again

Blair won because he managed to get almost all the media on his side - thats why he was never demonised to anything like the same extent as Brown, Miliband or Corbyn. Its why he was able to survive problems like foot and mouth, Iraq, tuition fees and all the rest.

That was a one time deal as well; paid for by turning a blind eye to rampant criminality. That option is not going to be available to any Labour leader again, even if they wanted to do it, since the same media have gone so far in support of Johnson now that his fall (after the disaster of the pandemic and Brexit) will take most of them with him.

He got the media onside in 1997 because he appealed to loads of the electorate and they backed the winning horse.

As for the rest, we'll see. I don't think it's far fetched that we could see a centre left Labour leader come to power and not repeat Blair mistakes.

 

[summerisle]

 

[Deleted member 43796]

 

[Leylo]

Only thought things like this happened in places like Zimbabwe, come on the world is looking at you ,you've got to sort it out for everyone imo

 

[verreauxi]

It's only a coup if it's from the coup d'etat region in France. Otherwise, it is just sparkling white terrorism.

(saw that online)

​

 

[RAFUH]

Joke already made

 

[TN Toffee]

Apparently the FBI has received 17,000+ tips since releasing the photos of people they’re looking for in relation to the rioting. I guess having a large social media presence and broad daylight insurrection aren’t a good combo.