Current Affairs The 2020 United States Presidential Election

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One thing the grandmother said that surprised me was that when "thanking" Trump she didn't say protest, she used the correct word when she referred to it as a riot, an illegal act that now her grandson will have to paid for in jail.
I could have read it wrong but I assumed she was being sarcastic when she “thanked” Trump - certainly know I would have been seething at Trump for encouraging it.
 
Sorry, just to add in response to the bold - I've said "why" repeatedly. It's because if you go to hard in the opposite direction too fast, then you foster the resentment and confirm existant suspicion in the 'base' that is open to being taken advantage of by the Trumps of this world.

Incremental change is the better option because you change the societal position gently instead of suddenly, and thus receive less backlash and prevent less chance of creating extremist hotbeds.
So, just to clarify, it's ok for them to go wayyyyy too fast one way but the left and rational people need to take our time to get back to 0. Got it.


*edit* and yes I know thats not at all what you are saying but it's a massive double standard. We are meant to "understand" why these people are genuinly psychotic asses but never ask them to do the same to us. One side wants to make life harder for people who aren't them, one side wants to make lives easier for EVERYONE. But, you know, we need to take our time to make sure they are ok with it. That idea just makes absolutely no sense.
 
So, just to clarify, it's ok for them to go wayyyyy too fast one way but the left and rational people need to take our time to get back to 0. Got it.

No. I think what Trump has done in his term is abhorrent. What he's done is very much not "OK". But there's ways to go about fixing it.

You have this weird belief I'm a Trump supporter for some reason. If you care to, vault me as far back as probably 2014 and you'll see clear as day I'm not.
 
No. I think what Trump has done in his term is abhorrent. What he's done is very much not "OK". But there's ways to go about fixing it.

You have this weird belief I'm a Trump supporter for some reason. If you care to, vault me as far back as probably 2014 and you'll see clear as day I'm not.
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No. I think what Trump has done in his term is abhorrent. What he's done is very much not "OK". But there's ways to go about fixing it.

You have this weird belief I'm a Trump supporter for some reason. If you care to, vault me as far back as probably 2014 and you'll see clear as day I'm not.
But "OK" that's politics.
 

Every side always believes their cause is just. You think Republicans vote that way because they're innately evil? No, they vote that way as they genuinely believe that's what's best for society.

Are they wrong? In my view, yes. If I were an American, I'd be a Democrat all day long.

But what they believe is that what you call making things better would ultimately end up in societal destruction. The way you convert that mindset (and incidentally bring the Republican party away from extremes and more centre right) is by gradually making a success of it. One step at a time. No government is perfect, and for that reason when you get a radical government who goes for ideological broke, then when things go wrong the ideology itself is blamed.

It's why I said there's never a "good" riot, because no matter the cause that underpins it, its still a bloody riot and it therefore tarnishes that support. Hence why you see Extinction Rebellion people pulled off trains and battered for wanting to save the planet; because constant, annoying protests tarnish and overshadow the whole message.

Politics - good politics - is all about nuance. Fighting some battles, leaving others, understanding that the overarching aim is to win an ideological war. This view has been completely and totally lost in the last few years as everyone pitches their tent on one "side" and wants to destroy the other.
 
Every side always believes their cause is just. You think Republicans vote that way because they're innately evil? No, they vote that way as they genuinely believe that's what's best for society.

Are they wrong? In my view, yes. If I were an American, I'd be a Democrat all day long.

But what they believe is that what you call making things better would ultimately end up in societal destruction. The way you convert that mindset (and incidentally bring the Republican party away from extremes and more centre right) is by gradually making a success of it. One step at a time. No government is perfect, and for that reason when you get a radical government who goes for ideological broke, then when things go wrong the ideology itself is blamed.

It's why I said there's never a "good" riot, because no matter the cause that underpins it, its still a bloody riot and it therefore tarnishes that support. Hence why you see Extinction Rebellion people pulled off trains and battered for wanting to save the planet; because constant, annoying protests tarnish and overshadow the whole message.

Politics - good politics - is all about nuance. Fighting some battles, leaving others, understanding that the overarching aim is to win an ideological war. This view has been completely and totally lost in the last few years as everyone pitches their tent on one "side" and wants to destroy the other.
What's has happened since Trump isn't "politics" as usual. That's the point.

I long for the days when republicans and democrats could argue over policy. That's long gone. The republicans have completely lost their minds.
That's not saying democrats are the antithesis of what republicans are - they aren't angels. Democrats are regular politicians. Which makes them, on the whole, palatable. They are the "only game in town", to use an American term, for anyone who is sane and has any heart whatsoever
 
Every side always believes their cause is just. You think Republicans vote that way because they're innately evil? No, they vote that way as they genuinely believe that's what's best for society.

Are they wrong? In my view, yes. If I were an American, I'd be a Democrat all day long.

But what they believe is that what you call making things better would ultimately end up in societal destruction. The way you convert that mindset (and incidentally bring the Republican party away from extremes and more centre right) is by gradually making a success of it. One step at a time. No government is perfect, and for that reason when you get a radical government who goes for ideological broke, then when things go wrong the ideology itself is blamed.

It's why I said there's never a "good" riot, because no matter the cause that underpins it, its still a bloody riot and it therefore tarnishes that support. Hence why you see Extinction Rebellion people pulled off trains and battered for wanting to save the planet; because constant, annoying protests tarnish and overshadow the whole message.

Politics - good politics - is all about nuance. Fighting some battles, leaving others, understanding that the overarching aim is to win an ideological war. This view has been completely and totally lost in the last few years as everyone pitches their tent on one "side" and wants to destroy the other.
"Your opinion does not make you right. Just because you believe something to be true doesn't mean it is"

A LARGE % of these people think that the election was stolen. But let's not pass an election securities bill because it might not make them happy?

There's no "in my view" for a lot of these stances. They ARE wrong, I don't care if they THINK they are right. Flat-earthers are wrong. The end. Climate changers are wrong. The end.

Being gentle with a group of people who deny the very existence of reality is giving legitimacy to their thoughts. "ok, let's talk about why you feel that way". Reality has a liberal bias simply because the ones that are on the right typically deny most legitimate stances with no basis in fact.
 
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