The 2 years since Martinez left.

[Abraders]

Don’t forget Roberto inherited a top squad, whereas Koeman was handed a disheveled, rag-tag bunch who had been mismanaged for years

Lol wat

 

[Zatara]

lollollollollollollollollollollollollol

Any particular reason why you omitted the rest of my point?

Any fool would rather have Alcaraz and McGeady + 40mil than Bolasie and Williams

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Any particular reason why you omitted the rest of my point?

Any fool would rather have Alcaraz and McGeady + 40mil than Bolasie and Williams

Alcaraz was a complete abomination, I’d have rather have had an empty squad number than that donkey

As for Mcgeady just lol

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Winning away is more fun haha

Very much depends on if you've paid good money for a season ticket that mate. Away wins always tend to be more enjoyable but that's because you don't have as much expectations as you would at home. The fact is though that home league games should be any teams bread and butter.

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

something i do blame Martinez for was the poor level of fitness. After that initial season players would gas out after 75 minutes. It's the first thing Koeman commented on when he arrived was how poor the level of fitness was.

 

[TraffordBlue]

Very much depends on if you've paid good money for a season ticket that mate. Away wins always tend to be more enjoyable but that's because you don't have as much expectations as you would at home. The fact is though that home league games should be any teams bread and butter.

It's something that we need to sort out as a club. We shouldn't be going through each season with a fear of playing away from home, and be getting 13 wins at home, and only 4 away like last season. If we can get a manager in who has a belief we can go at teams away we may see a difference in results.

It amazes me how managers like Allardyce don't realise that if you set up for a draw at best, if things don't go to plan you will end up with a defeat - Bournemouth, Watford, Burnley, Liverpool at Anfield in the Cup. If we'd have actually gone for it and put those teams on the back foot, then it's not too hard to imagine that it would have limited their ability to build wave after wave of attack against us and we'd have ended up if with a draw if we couldn't have scored ourselves.

There are games when it is different and I accept that - Spurs and Arsenal blew us away. But the 4 games I mentioned above were all games that were there for the taking and we tried to aim for a cowardly draw. We've done that for years.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

It’s just so Everton that we’ve waited a lifetime to have some serious clout in the transfer market and it has been squandered by a manager who was frankly only here for a payday and a ‘stepping stone’ to the Barcelona job. Silva and Howe although decent managers who try to play football in the right manner are not of the calibre to take us to the next level in my eyes. Alternatively we could go for a higher risk appointment such as Nagelsmann from Hoffenheim to bridge the gap, either way it’s an appointment we must get right.

Either he was here for a pay day or he was here as a Barca stepping stone, because if it's the latter he would work his arse off to prove his credentials.

 

[davek]

something i do blame Martinez for was the poor level of fitness. After that initial season players would gas out after 75 minutes. It's the first thing Koeman commented on when he arrived was how poor the level of fitness was.

Seem to remember that about half way through that Koeman season the stats showed that Everton players were covering less distance per game than when under RM.

So much for perception.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

It's something that we need to sort out as a club. We shouldn't be going through each season with a fear of playing away from home, and be getting 13 wins at home, and only 4 away like last season. If we can get a manager in who has a belief we can go at teams away we may see a difference in results.

It amazes me how managers like Allardyce don't realise that if you set up for a draw at best, if things don't go to plan you will end up with a defeat - Bournemouth, Watford, Burnley, Liverpool at Anfield in the Cup. If we'd have actually gone for it and put those teams on the back foot, then it's not too hard to imagine that it would have limited their ability to build wave after wave of attack against us and we'd have ended up if with a draw if we couldn't have scored ourselves.

There are games when it is different and I accept that - Spurs and Arsenal blew us away. But the 4 games I mentioned above were all games that were there for the taking and we tried to aim for a cowardly draw. We've done that for years.

I kind of agree, but when you're not doing too well and then you get a heavy defeat because you went gung ho it can batter your confidence and you take that into the next game.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

It's something that we need to sort out as a club. We shouldn't be going through each season with a fear of playing away from home, and be getting 13 wins at home, and only 4 away like last season. If we can get a manager in who has a belief we can go at teams away we may see a difference in results.

It amazes me how managers like Allardyce don't realise that if you set up for a draw at best, if things don't go to plan you will end up with a defeat - Bournemouth, Watford, Burnley, Liverpool at Anfield in the Cup. If we'd have actually gone for it and put those teams on the back foot, then it's not too hard to imagine that it would have limited their ability to build wave after wave of attack against us and we'd have ended up if with a draw if we couldn't have scored ourselves.

There are games when it is different and I accept that - Spurs and Arsenal blew us away. But the 4 games I mentioned above were all games that were there for the taking and we tried to aim for a cowardly draw. We've done that for years.

Imo mate we've got a problem that goes way just the manager. I've said it in another thread but it's a culture thing that's embedded in the club from the very top. Managers like Martinez, Koeman and Big Sam are just the latest symptoms of it. The people who run us except mediocrity and often worse then that providing the club continues to make them money in the premier league, ergo why should the manager and players strive for more when the people who pay their wages couldn't care less.......

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

Seem to remember that about half way through that Koeman season the stats showed that Everton players were covering less distance per game than when under RM.

So much for perception.

don't get me wrong, Koeman struggled to get them playing the pressing game he said he wanted. I'm not suggesting that he rectified the fitness issue because he didn't but it started with Martinez. Moyes for all his faults (and there were plenty) had the team as fit as they could possibly be.

 

[davek]

don't get me wrong, Koeman struggled to get them playing the pressing game he said he wanted. I'm not suggesting that he rectified the fitness issue because he didn't but it started with Martinez. Moyes for all his faults (and there were plenty) had the team as fit as they could possibly be.

I think it's a simple matter of Martinez not drastically changing the squad from Moyes time here and those players getting two/three years older...players many of whom were not spring chickens when he inherited them. There probably was less emphasis on stamina and more on ball work. But the whole thing was massively exaggerated and just a convenient stick to beat the then manager with.

 

[Papa Shango]

Don’t forget Roberto inherited a top squad, whereas Koeman was handed a disheveled, rag-tag bunch who had been mismanaged for years

Martinez inherited an aging squad where the likes of regulars like Osman, Hibbert, Distin and Howard were getting towards the end of their usefulness with no resale value.

Added to that was the fact that we only had Jelavic as a proper striker (who was a shadow of what he was when he first came here) and I think its fair to say that the squad wasn't as strong as people think it was.

 

[Papa Shango]

don't get me wrong, Koeman struggled to get them playing the pressing game he said he wanted. I'm not suggesting that he rectified the fitness issue because he didn't but it started with Martinez. Moyes for all his faults (and there were plenty) had the team as fit as they could possibly be.

Apart from the start of the season were we would usually start off terribly.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Why do people need to justify Martinez with the pethetic excuse that "Well Koeman was worse". Yes lads, it's been well established that Koeman is an incompetent moron who was never good enough for us, did a terrible damaging job and is a generally bad manager. I don't however see how that's much of a defense of Martinez with his stupidity, his incompetence, his lack of awareness, his overblown ego and the terrible job he did here.

The difference here is nobody is nobody is defending Koeman. We've all accepted he's crap. Now it's time for the few remaining Martinez loyalists to stop fighting a war they lost two years ago and embrace reailty. Koeman and Martinez (plus BFS, but that goes without saying!) are all woeful managers and saying you dislike one more then the other isn't a good defense and doesn't justify the shocking job they both did. If we are ever to move forward as a club we need a better class of manager then either of those two idiots.