The 2 years since Martinez left.

[TraffordBlue]

I kind of agree, but when you're not doing too well and then you get a heavy defeat because you went gung ho it can batter your confidence and you take that into the next game.

Yeah I appreciate that, so in the disappointing away results against West Brom and Bournemouth around Christmas, I could just about tolerate the negative approach because it had worked to some extent for him earlier. But that West Brom game was the start of Allardyce slipping in to his 'old ways' and proving all the criticisms of him to be true.

He had done a good job before then and managed us sensibly in the circumstances and that pretty much led us to safety. After that, there was no reason why we couldn't have tried to go on and win at Watford and Burnley and those 2 defeats were the final straw for me with him. We've actually re-ignited Burnley's season. They had gone 11 games without a win and in typical Everton fashion we let ourselves be the first team they beat for ages. What did he have to lose? Against Watford he was about to bring on Schneiderlin and we got beat anyway! No fan wants to see that from the manager and the proof that it hasn't worked is in the results.

Koeman, Martinez, Moyes were similar with a poor return of wins over the season, except for 1 or 2 seasons under Moyes and 1 under Martinez. That mentality needs to change.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Yeah I appreciate that, so in the disappointing away results against West Brom and Bournemouth around Christmas, I could just about tolerate the negative approach because it had worked to some extent for him earlier. But that West Brom game was the start of Allardyce slipping in to his 'old ways' and proving all the criticisms of him to be true.

He had done a good job before then and managed us sensibly in the circumstances and that pretty much led us to safety. After that, there was no reason why we couldn't have tried to go on and win at Watford and Burnley and those 2 defeats were the final straw for me with him. We've actually re-ignited Burnley's season. They had gone 11 games without a win and in typical Everton fashion we let ourselves be the first team they beat for ages. What did he have to lose? Against Watford he was about to bring on Schneiderlin and we got beat anyway! No fan wants to see that from the manager and the proof that it hasn't worked is in the results.

Koeman, Martinez, Moyes were similar with a poor return of wins over the season, except for 1 or 2 seasons under Moyes and 1 under Martinez. That mentality needs to change.

Thing is, the money involved now is so great I struggle to see it happening.

 

[kithnou]

To be fair, he’s better than everyone after him...

https://tbrfootball.com/everton-too-impatient/

In hindsight, were Everton too impatient when allowing Roberto Martinez’s exit?
The Spaniard has since gone on to manage the Belgium National Team.
By

Max Cohen April 16, 2018

Photo: Getty Images
Premier League legends Tim Cahill and Thierry Henry made headlines on Sunday when they discussed the current state of Everton, with ex-Toffee Cahill suggesting that the club has “lost its identity.”

Both Cahill and Henry were correct when they suggested that the sacking of Roberto Martinez was a mistake. The move was a result of impatience and sparked a decline at Goodison Park.

Martinez’s first season at Everton was record-setting; he became the first manager in club history to avoid defeat in his first six matches. The Toffees finished an impressive fifth in the league, completing a league double over Manchester United, and qualified for the Europa League in the process.

The success brought an improved five-year contract for the Spaniard, but the following two years brought consecutive disappointing 11th-placed league finishes.

Martinez was sacked with one match remaining in the 2015/16 season, as supporters grew tired of his side’s laboured style of play and porous defence.

But, although Everton certainly underperformed in Martinez’s second and third seasons, the Spaniard deserved longer at the club – an opinion that current manager Sam Allardyce voiced at the time.

(Photo by David Rogers/Getty Images)

In 2016, then-Sunderland manager Allardyce told BBC Sport that Martinez “deserved a bit more time,” and that “the job is getting more and more difficult because of the impatience now in the game of football.”

Big Sam was right. The league performances were certainly poor, but Everton nonetheless reached both the FA Cup and League Cup semifinals in 2016, a commendable feat that is often overlooked.

With the sacking of Martinez, Everton lost a clear identity that defines the club. A large part of the club’s success under David Moyes was a coherent club philosophy that all players bought into, and recently without that the Toffees have struggled.

A more patient approach would have allowed the manager to rekindle the glories of his inaugural season, playing attractive football and winning cups in the process.

If only Roberto Martinez was allowed more time at Goodison Park, Everton would have avoided the current identity crisis afflicting the club.

18-year-old avid Fulham supporter. "It's just banter"

 

[hktoffee]

To be fair, he’s better than everyone after him...

https://tbrfootball.com/everton-too-impatient/

In hindsight, were Everton too impatient when allowing Roberto Martinez’s exit?
The Spaniard has since gone on to manage the Belgium National Team.
By

Max Cohen April 16, 2018

Photo: Getty Images
Premier League legends Tim Cahill and Thierry Henry made headlines on Sunday when they discussed the current state of Everton, with ex-Toffee Cahill suggesting that the club has “lost its identity.”

Both Cahill and Henry were correct when they suggested that the sacking of Roberto Martinez was a mistake. The move was a result of impatience and sparked a decline at Goodison Park.

Martinez’s first season at Everton was record-setting; he became the first manager in club history to avoid defeat in his first six matches. The Toffees finished an impressive fifth in the league, completing a league double over Manchester United, and qualified for the Europa League in the process.

The success brought an improved five-year contract for the Spaniard, but the following two years brought consecutive disappointing 11th-placed league finishes.

Martinez was sacked with one match remaining in the 2015/16 season, as supporters grew tired of his side’s laboured style of play and porous defence.

But, although Everton certainly underperformed in Martinez’s second and third seasons, the Spaniard deserved longer at the club – an opinion that current manager Sam Allardyce voiced at the time.

(Photo by David Rogers/Getty Images)

In 2016, then-Sunderland manager Allardyce told BBC Sport that Martinez “deserved a bit more time,” and that “the job is getting more and more difficult because of the impatience now in the game of football.”

Big Sam was right. The league performances were certainly poor, but Everton nonetheless reached both the FA Cup and League Cup semifinals in 2016, a commendable feat that is often overlooked.

With the sacking of Martinez, Everton lost a clear identity that defines the club. A large part of the club’s success under David Moyes was a coherent club philosophy that all players bought into, and recently without that the Toffees have struggled.

A more patient approach would have allowed the manager to rekindle the glories of his inaugural season, playing attractive football and winning cups in the process.

If only Roberto Martinez was allowed more time at Goodison Park, Everton would have avoided the current identity crisis afflicting the club.

18-year-old avid Fulham supporter. "It's just banter"

This Max Cohen wrote a lot of nonsense.

1. The suggestion of the sacking of Martinez was a lack of patience was nonsense. The sacking was necessary at the time due to the toxic atmosphere around the club and supporters. Besides that, the results in the league during the 2nd and 3rd seasons had shown the club was in a sharpe decline.

2. Martinez was given more than enough time by Bill. He was given 3 seasons yet he got found out after the first season. He had more resources available to him than Moyes.

3. As suggested by Cahill, the club lost its identity. The club may lose its identity from the time when Moyes left the club. Moyes changed the club from a relegation threatened team to a genuine top 6-7 PL team during his tenure with limited resources. At least you can see the club was on the up in terms of PL status at the time.

4. Armed with the financial power of the majority shareholder, Everton is now trying to buy players without any hesitation (wasting a lot and overpaying) Instead of picking up lesser known players in the lower devision, the transfer policy has changed from the moment Moshiri took over.

5. Laboured style of play and porous defence? Martinez did not practice setpieces according to Osman. Face it, he can’t organise a defence.

6. If you don’t win a cup who cares about semi finals? Small time mentality.

7. I understand why people praise Martinez for his first season but they are ignoring even turning a blind eye on the two seasons afterwards, which caused him his job, rightfully.

 

[kithnou]

This Max Cohen wrote a lot of nonsense.

1. The suggestion of the sacking of Martinez was a lack of patience was nonsense. The sacking was necessary at the time due to the toxic atmosphere around the club and supporters. Besides that, the results in the league during the 2nd and 3rd seasons had shown the club was in a sharpe decline.

2. Martinez was given more than enough time by Bill. He was given 3 seasons yet he got found out after the first season. He had more resources available to him than Moyes.

3. As suggested by Cahill, the club lost its identity. The club may lose its identity from the time when Moyes left the club. Moyes changed the club from a relegation threatened team to a genuine top 6-7 PL team during his tenure with limited resources. At least you can see the club was on the up in terms of PL status at the time.

4. Armed with the financial power of the majority shareholder, Everton is now trying to buy players without any hesitation (wasting a lot and overpaying) Instead of picking up lesser known players in the lower devision, the transfer policy has changed from the moment Moshiri took over.

5. Laboured style of play and porous defence? Martinez did not practice setpieces according to Osman. Face it, he can’t organise a defence.

6. If you don’t win a cup who cares about semi finals? Small time mentality.

7. I understand why people praise Martinez for his first season but they are ignoring even turning a blind eye on the two seasons afterwards, which caused him his job, rightfully.

He had to go. But I'm saying he was still better than all of them that came after him. Sad really.

 

[thebluenosebolt]

something i do blame Martinez for was the poor level of fitness. After that initial season players would gas out after 75 minutes. It's the first thing Koeman commented on when he arrived was how poor the level of fitness was.

I think in hindsight though, I would rather them gas out at 75 mins than the waking up in the 80th this current lot do.

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

I think in hindsight though, I would rather them gas out at 75 mins than the waking up in the 80th this current lot do.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

He had to go. But I'm saying he was still better than all of them that came after him. Sad really.

Well I'd argue that he's as bad as Moonhead and both of them are considerably worse then BFS because he at least wont get us relegated unlike the other two dunderheads would of had they been given the time to do so. It's a pointless debate anyway, all three of them were terrible appointments that pretty much everyone associated with the club wishes we could take back.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Are people really hanging off an article that quotes Sam Allardyce as an authority on football managers? Martinez’s three biggest champions are Allardyce, Thierry Henry (his assistant) Jordi Cruyff and Dave Whelan. Make of that what you will.

 

[Timak]

He had to go. But I'm saying he was still better than all of them that came after him. Sad really.

Koeman got 15 or so more points out of the same squad.

Problem was the spending and his complete lack of charisma.

 

[Encoder]

Hate this talk of 'letting Martinez go too early' and fans being too impatient. I absolutely shudder to imagine a premier league season with Martinez sans Lukaku. First to be relegated in April.

 

[smileychap]

If you call an Everton a manager who got us a points total that wont be beaten for another generation at this rate "El Fraudo", how do you describe the last manager who spent £300M to make us as rubbish as he was a manager?

Yeah, words fail me on the Konman / Walsh era. Big Sam's done OK to weather the storm but needs to move on. Martinez with more luck could have made CL. The organisation in Moyes squad was there and with RL up front they came close.. For me RM's tenure marked the start of the decline in our quality and grit which I only see in Coleman today. Difficult to put a price on that for a side like us.

 

[Nymzee]

To be fair, he’s better than everyone after him...

https://tbrfootball.com/everton-too-impatient/

In hindsight, were Everton too impatient when allowing Roberto Martinez’s exit?
The Spaniard has since gone on to manage the Belgium National Team.
By

Max Cohen April 16, 2018

Photo: Getty Images
Premier League legends Tim Cahill and Thierry Henry made headlines on Sunday when they discussed the current state of Everton, with ex-Toffee Cahill suggesting that the club has “lost its identity.”

Both Cahill and Henry were correct when they suggested that the sacking of Roberto Martinez was a mistake. The move was a result of impatience and sparked a decline at Goodison Park.

Martinez’s first season at Everton was record-setting; he became the first manager in club history to avoid defeat in his first six matches. The Toffees finished an impressive fifth in the league, completing a league double over Manchester United, and qualified for the Europa League in the process.

The success brought an improved five-year contract for the Spaniard, but the following two years brought consecutive disappointing 11th-placed league finishes.

Martinez was sacked with one match remaining in the 2015/16 season, as supporters grew tired of his side’s laboured style of play and porous defence.

But, although Everton certainly underperformed in Martinez’s second and third seasons, the Spaniard deserved longer at the club – an opinion that current manager Sam Allardyce voiced at the time.

(Photo by David Rogers/Getty Images)

In 2016, then-Sunderland manager Allardyce told BBC Sport that Martinez “deserved a bit more time,” and that “the job is getting more and more difficult because of the impatience now in the game of football.”

Big Sam was right. The league performances were certainly poor, but Everton nonetheless reached both the FA Cup and League Cup semifinals in 2016, a commendable feat that is often overlooked.

With the sacking of Martinez, Everton lost a clear identity that defines the club. A large part of the club’s success under David Moyes was a coherent club philosophy that all players bought into, and recently without that the Toffees have struggled.

A more patient approach would have allowed the manager to rekindle the glories of his inaugural season, playing attractive football and winning cups in the process.

If only Roberto Martinez was allowed more time at Goodison Park, Everton would have avoided the current identity crisis afflicting the club.

18-year-old avid Fulham supporter. "It's just banter"

“He’s better” yet finishes lower than them both.

 

[barneygumble]

Yeah....

Let's just back into bed with Roberto, the very loved Belgian manager.

Oh....

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...rtinez-criticism-2018-world-cup-a8052461.html

He's not the only one too.

I hate Fat Sam as much as the rest of you, but lets face it, Roberto is a poor manager, he has a lot of very, very good philosophies, but he can never channel them.

For me, he'd be a really positive assistant, or something but he's tactically naive. Almost like a snake without any venom, Roberto's teams, look dangerous, but are more harmless.

 

[TraffordBlue]

He had to go. But I'm saying he was still better than all of them that came after him. Sad really.

2014/15 - Martinez - Position 11th, Points 47 from 38 games
2015/16 - Martinez - Position 12th, Points 44 from 37 games

2016/17 - Koeman - Position 7th, Points 61 from 38 games
2017/18 - Koeman/Unsworth/Allardyce - Position 9th, Points 42 from 34 games

How was he better than all who came after him? Koeman beat his points total by 14+ points last season and BFS is likely to do it this season, or at least match his total.