Succession Planning - Managerial Wishlist

[Ruairi77]

Really? Can I ask which players you have in mind here?

Glasner plays with wing backs, we probably have the least well-suited players in the league for that system to my eyes.

Sure.
I think Iraola uses fast technical players.
None or our players seem that fast (maybe Rohl)
I think our players are better suited to a more physical game and that might suit Glasner better
I also would like to see someone try a back 3 of O'brien, Tark(or stones), branthwaite. And Glasner plays a back 3 as opposed to Iraolas back 4.
As for wing backs, who knows, We need new full backs anyway, maybe we should go 3 at the back and pick up wing backs.
I'll get laughed out of it for this but I think with the right coaching, Myko could be ok at wing back.
Rohl could do a job as right wing back and he wanted McNeill.

 

[BainesontoastNEW]

Bordalas. We'd shithouse our way to 38 1-0 wins.

 

[Juissi]

Whilst that is true, whats the alternative? Stick with Moyes and let him bring in more "experienced" players who tire out after 60minutes? So we keep with the same type of manager because our squad isn't really suited for anything else? We have these players because, for the last half decade, we hve been in a relegation fight because of limited players and managers. Sticking with that model isn't a recipe for anything other than stagnation, at best.

I do get that point, and I’m not saying we should just stick with the same type of football forever. I just think there’s a difference between evolving the squad and completely rebuilding it around one very specific system.

Iraola’s style is really demanding physically and tactically, and right now I’m not sure enough of this squad fits it naturally. In a more stable situation with more flexibility in the market, maybe it would make more sense. But after years of instability and financial limits, going for such a drastic stylistic shift feels risky to me.

I also wouldn’t really call it stagnation at this point, more like stabilisation. This is the first season in a while where we haven’t been seriously involved in a relegation battle, so there’s at least some foundation finally starting to form.

I’m also not defending the idea of endlessly signing ageing “experienced” players either. There’s clearly a middle ground between that and trying to transform the whole identity of the squad in one go.

 

[funkygibson]

I'm not defending the recent form mate, my initial observation was wondering whether we'd have displayed the same patience in the same situation.

Many blues seem to be displaying it now after this run so I’m sure we could if we know that once players get used to his style of play bigger and better things lie ahead

 

[Bluebonic]

I'd already put Iraolas achievements in the game up there with or even ahead of Moyes.
He has Bournemouth in a possible CL spot after having their best players sold. Thats kinda nuts!
If they were both unemployed in the morning, which would get the more prestigious job?
Moyes needs to get on with being Celtic boss.
I will say that if it was a straight up choice, I'd prob go for Glasner over Iraola due to the kind of players we already have.

I’m not dissing Iraola mate, I would certainly be pleased if we got him. But I tend to measure success in terms of trophies won. If we measure it solely on doing well in the league despite not having anything like the players of those around you, then Derek Mcinnes of Hearts should be in the conversation. As Scottish league or not, the job he has done up there is nothing short of miraculous. i am not arguing that I am right and you are wrong, but we measure success differently. A trophy, no matter how poor the competition, is nothing to be dismissed. On that basis I think Moyes can be deemed more of a success that Iraola, but as I said earlier, with regards to playing style, Moyes loses out to him all day long.

 

[davek]

Heres some context for you Dave

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Iraola has gone 12th; 9th; 6th in three seasons in the PL.

Guess what comes next?

 

[davek]

 

[Brisan123]

Attracting is one thing, but I think we need to consider the profile we need. Ancelotti and Mourhino are out for me. Even at clubs with huge resources longevity is been key in recent seasons. Look at Klopp and Arteta, they built and needed time. If we've got resources and are serious we need a guy who can build.

I think our biggest miss was Emery, but we'd gotten ourselves into a mess off field by the time he was available so we were Attracting Lampards, Dyches and El Gordos. Timing etc. Even if we'd landed him earlier I'm not sure Moshiri's circus would have served him well.

The Ancelotti being discussed is the son Davide not the father Carlo

 

[Joey66]

MOTD DM patting himself on the back a 2-2 draw is a good result here , but messed up our Europe ambitions - then who would have thought we would have been challenging for Europe after relegation fights in the past -

Expecting him to pat himself on the back in all honesty if his arms would have reached -

He spent 100 million & we may end up a few points better off than last season is also another way of looking at it ...

He has achieved what he can with his style of football - no relegation fight is a blessing & that's what he should have been stating imo.....

 

[Curtis]

Honestly I just want a manager who looks at Michael Keane and says "nope this isn't going to work, he needs to go" and I think that outlook will benefit our club

 

[Ruairi77]

I’m not dissing Iraola mate, I would certainly be pleased if we got him. But I tend to measure success in terms of trophies won. If we measure it solely on doing well in the league despite not having anything like the players of those around you, then Derek Mcinnes of Hearts should be in the conversation. As Scottish league or not, the job he has done up there is nothing short of miraculous. i am not arguing that I am right and you are wrong, but we measure success differently. A trophy, no matter how poor the competition, is nothing to be dismissed. On that basis I think Moyes can be deemed more of a success that Iraola, but as I said earlier, with regards to playing style, Moyes loses out to him all day long.

Yeah, that hearts fella should definitely be considered.
I'm just not sure winning the conference league is a huge achievement.
Winning the league cup is harder.
It's also hard to gauge success when moyes is 20 years older.
To the best of my knowledge Iraola has never gotten relegated. But I dont think it's fair to hold that against Moyses sunderland side.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

Every season is different of course, but there still needs to be some continuity in the squad. No club signs 15 new players overnight. Like I said earlier, a big part of this squad would need replacing to properly suit that style of football, and I’m not convinced we’re in a position to do that right now.

Who knows how the current squad would adapt to his methods? We had the argument when Dyche was in charge that no more could be done with the players he had and Moyes debunked that. I think it's simply a case of stick or twist. If we stick with Moyes we'll be similarly stable next season without hitting the heights and if we twist we may have a coach who has the philosophy and mentality to break through the self imposed ceiling Moyes philosophy and mentality has which holds us back. Obviously there's risk involved but in sport if you don't risk you don't get the rewards

 

[preposterousvelios]

Honestly I just want a manager who looks at Michael Keane and says "nope this isn't going to work, he needs to go" and I think that outlook will benefit our club

Too late for that now unfortunately. Though I agree in theory.

 

[Delargeinho]

He has not managed in Europe, but Filipe Luis is someone to look at definitely

 

[Drico]

Iraola has gone 12th; 9th; 6th in three seasons in the PL.

Guess what comes next?

17th at Everton?