Succession Planning - Managerial Wishlist

[davek]

He'd get eaten up and spat out here mate.

There is a whole generation brought up on not having an Everton manager for more then 18 months at a stretch.

A Churn generation, that wont wait for a whole philosophy to be embedded, if it means 8 bad results on the trot - its why Glasner, Iriola and Dude at Brighton - thrive there, those clubs dont have the expectation that's here, here is a different ball game.

Look where we are now: mid table nowhere club that doesn't even do cup runs.

I think Iraola can better that muck with some ease.

The thought of pace all over the team...

 

[Neiler]

Look where we are now: mid table nowhere club that doesn't even do cup runs.

I think Iraola can better that muck with some ease.

The thought of pace all over the team...

I dont if im honest.

Its like this since Moyes 1.0 - no one has done better here, or no one since Boberto has done a stint of over two years.

We have had every type, its a tough job here, its different from walking into Bournmouth, Brighton or Palace they are clubs - that have barely won a trophy in their history - this club is bigger and different.

Look at Marco, eaten alive here but thriving at Fulham at a smaller club with smaller expectations and the fredom of that - you dont get that here, it has to be a manager who can manage a big club, even if its an unsuccessful one and that is different then a good coach in my opinion.

 

[Tilling]

+++++++Bobble saying Iraola has indicated he'd be interested in having a conversation with Everton+++++++++

Where?

 

[davek]

I dont if im honest.

Its like this since Moyes, no one has done better here, or no one since Boberto has done a stint of over two years.

We have had every type, its a tough job here, its different from walking into Bournmouth, Brighton or Place they are clubs - that have barely won a trophy in their history - this club is bigger and different.

Look at Marco, eaten alive here but thriving at Fulham at a smaller club with smaller expectations and the fredom of that - you dont get that here, it has to be manager who can manage a big club, even if its an unsuccessful one and that is different then a good coach in my opinion.

Moyes didnt achieve anything here. There's no high bar to measure others who came after or will come in future.

 

[davek]

Where?

People who subscribe to his podcast.

He didn't go overboard. Just said that the feelers had gone out from Iraola's end of things.

Basically: he's ours to open negotiations with if we want him.

 

[toffeeblue9]

Iraola didn't win any of his first eleven games or something like that at Bournemouth. Can you really imagine us giving him the time and benefit of the doubt like that here?

 

[Neiler]

Moyes didnt achieve anything here. There's no high bar to measure others who came after or will come in future.

I dont agree with that for the million reasons we've discussed over the years, even now we are hare's breath away from Europe, with a squad largely in relegation battles the last four years, give or take a player or two - the trajectory is upward.

People talk about trophies, but no one looks at how winning trophies has change d in the last five years - the real chances increase via Europe and not domestically - you have more of a chance to win the Europa League of Conference League then you do FA Cup and League Cup - certainly the PL IMO.

The first step in Europe and year one in to the Moyes project, with a limited squad and after years of under investment, we are almost there - the trajectory is upward, with more investment coming.

 

[davek]

I dont agree with that for the million reasons weve discussed over the years, even now we are hare's breath away from Europe, with a squad largely in relgation battles the last four years, give or take a player or two - the trajectory is upward.

People talk about trophies, but no one looks at how winning trophies has change d in the last five years - the real chances increase via Europe and not domestically - you have more of a chance to win the Europa League of Conference League then you do FA Cup and League Cup - certainly the PL IMO.

The first step in Europe and year one in to the Moyes project, with a limited squad and after years of under investment, we are almost there - the trajectory is upward, with more investment coming.

We're a 'hare's breath' (getting more tenuous with each passing game that claim like) because a number of teams who you expect to be in the top half aren't there this season.

We're miles off the pace. 49 points mate. One more at this stage than Dyche in the points deducted crisis season.

 

[Neiler]

We're a 'hare's breath' (getting more tenuous with each passing game that claim like) because a number of teams who you expect to be in the top half aren't there this season.

We're miles off the pace. 49 points mate. One more at this stage than Dyche in the points deducted crisis season.

Youve just explained the competitive nature of the league. Like Spurs, WHU, even ourselves - you are two bad decsions in this league from going out of it - the margins are that fine.

My expectations are on point, i said i expected us to competitive for Europe this season - we are. With a still limited team in my opinion.

I was actrually in the hiher end of expectation - most oon here expected mid table as a fair mark of progression.

Disappointment, at our recent fall away is due to raised expectations, if a manager has raised expectations - hes done a good job.

 

[jceverton]

Look where we are now: mid table nowhere club that doesn't even do cup runs.

I think Iraola can better that muck with some ease.

The thought of pace all over the team...

Yep it's like the choice between Dyche and Bielsa!

 

[jceverton]

Deadly serious. I like him

He's got one thing in common with managers that win trophies, they all take calculated gambles.

 

[jceverton]

Youve just explained the competitive nature of the league. Like Spurs, WHU, even ourselves - you are two bad decsions in this league from going out of it - the margins are that fine.

My expectations are on point, i said i expected us to competitive for Europe this season - we are. With a still limited team in my opinion.

I was actrually in the hiher end of expectation - most oon here expected mid table as a fair mark of progression.

Disappointment, at our recent fall away is due to raised expectations, if a manager has raised expectations - hes done a good job.

He raised expectations with last seasons 31 points from 19 games. This season he's done the opposite.

 

[Lanolin]

Iraola didn't win any of his first eleven games or something like that at Bournemouth. Can you really imagine us giving him the time and benefit of the doubt like that here?

There's nothing to say that's a feature of his management though is there? Of course anyone who had a start like that here would be under pressure, bit there's no real reason to believe it would be more likely with him than it would with anyone else. When we appointed Moyes we could have said it was a bad idea because he'd only won 4 games in the second half of the season at West Ham and when he inevitably did the same with us we'd end up getting relegated, but nobody did because it would be weird.

 

[toffeeblue9]

There's nothing to say that's a feature of his management though is there? Of course anyone who had a start like that here would be under pressure, bit there's no real reason to believe it would be more likely with him than it would with anyone else. When we appointed Moyes we could have said it was a bad idea because he'd only won 4 games in the second half of the season at West Ham and when he inevitably did the same with us we'd end up getting relegated, but nobody did because it would be weird.

Youre right, but that's not really the point I'm making. What I'm saying is that Iraola has done well at Bournemouth. He came to the club, having taken Vallecano to 11th place in La Liga (so not a big track record of success) and he got his first win after 10 league games - those first 9 included a 4-0 home defeat against Arsenal and a 3-0 away defeat against Shaun Dyche's Everton.

It isn't about him specifically, I'm suggesting that as a fan base I don't think we would tolerate that - there's no reason to think that he would do the same again anywhere else, it's more than it would be difficult to imagine us having the same patience in the same situation, but that patience has allowed him to eventually do well there.

 

[Neiler]

Youre right, but that's not really the point I'm making. What I'm saying is that Iraola has done well at Bournemouth. He came to the club, having taken Vallecano to 11th place in La Liga (so not a big track record of success) and he got his first win after 10 league games - those first 9 included a 4-0 home defeat against Arsenal and a 3-0 away defeat against Shaun Dyche's Everton.

It isn't about him specifically, I'm suggesting that as a fan base I don't think we would tolerate that - there's no reason to think that he would do the same again anywhere else, it's more than it would be difficult to imagine us having the same patience in the same situation, but that patience has allowed him to eventually do well there.

It’s what I was getting at earlier in terms of managing big clubs.

The Brighton Dude is probably going to qualify for Europe - but he went 11 games at one point
this season without winning.

Different club and different expectations - people were traitoswd by that here under Dyche, the Brighton Dude just got a new bumper contract.