Succession Planning - Managerial Wishlist

[Rob17896]

To be fair this thread is a managerial wish-list so we can have anyone on it.

My choice would be Carlo or Emery.

Marco Silva. He has done quite well with a smallish club and seems to have toughened up. Will certainly do better with our younger talent and knows how to attack. Moyes does not. Looking at Braiden Graham...I would not let Moyes near him.

 

[John from Bootle]

I’m sorry that you seem to find words so difficult to understand. As I’ve said more than once, theoretically my preference would be to twist in the summer, but I’m not so set on that that I’m going to scream and shout about how it’s 100% the right thing to do, because I’m just a bloke giving an opinion on a forum and I’m conscious that I’m not in full possession of the facts. There’s not really anything to sit on the fence about, there are no repercussions for me whatever happens so why would I need to sit on the fence? It’s a shame that you feel you can only have an extreme view one way or the other and aren’t capable of taking a more balanced approach.

I understand words mate. "Theoretically"

It's not an extreme approach to expect people to stand by their opinion. Do you want us to boot the manager or not?

I find some of your narrative a bit strange. Almost completely opposed to Dyche getting the boot, decrying the lack of stability, net spend, and how crap we'd been previously, yet seemingly happy to "theoretically" advocate the sacking of this manager "in the right circumstances" .

 

[ArtetaMagic]

Marco Silva. He has done quite well with a smallish club and seems to have toughened up. Will certainly do better with our younger talent and knows how to attack. Moyes does not. Looking at Braiden Graham...I would not let Moyes near him.

Never go back!!

 

[Swartzy]

no managerial experience

yeah lets get tony pulis then loads of experience him

how about because i liked what i saw he did with the england youth team and as interim head coach

I mean he did bring Angel Gomes with him into the senior side..

Nah, he's happy. Never pined for a move out of the national team set up, and it works for his family..

He would of had itchy fingers by now if he was going to.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

if how doesn't become available next summer then i would probably go for lee carsley

Why do you think he's never managed at club level despite being 51? Because he's a coach not a manager. He's happy doing the youth stuff and didn't even want the England job when he had a chance to claim it as interim. He hasn't got the personality for the scrutiny he'd get if he managed an ambitious club like I'd hope we would be and his family life means he's not suitable for the day to day rigours of Premier League management either. Colin Harvey was a brilliant coach too but not a manager and there have been other examples too.

 

[John from Bootle]

Why do you think he's never managed at club level despite being 51? Because he's a coach not a manager. He's happy doing the youth stuff and didn't even want the England job when he had a chance to claim it as interim. He hasn't got the personality for the scrutiny he'd get if he managed an ambitious club like I'd hope we would be and his family life means he's not suitable for the day to day rigours of Premier League management either. Colin Harvey was a brilliant coach too but not a manager and there have been other examples too.

It's bollocks mate. Some of the same people wanted us to appoint the up and coming Van Nistelrooy.

 

[Lanolin]

I understand words mate. "Theoretically"

It's not an extreme approach to expect people to stand by their opinion. Do you want us to boot the manager or not?

I find some of your narrative a bit strange. Almost completely opposed to Dyche getting the boot, decrying the lack of stability, net spend, and how crap we'd been previously, yet seemingly happy to "theoretically" advocate the sacking of this manager "in the right circumstances" .

If you can’t see how the circumstances at the club have changed in the last 18 months I’m not sure I can help you. I advocated sticking with dyche because I believed (and still believe) that the only objective the club had at that time was survival and until things got to the point where that survival looked unlikely I didn’t see the point in changing. That’s still the point I’m making now, that your binary brain seemingly can’t comprehend despite it being explained to you numerous times. IF the new owners are genuinely ambitious I think we should change managers, but I don’t know if they are ambitious. If the clubs aim is to keep finishing 7th-12th without significant investment then Moyes is about the best manager around to do that. I HOPE that isn’t their aim and if not they should change, but I have no idea and as I said repeatedly at the time (and you disagreed with, because you don’t understand nuance) there’s no point bringing in carlo ancelotti if your aim is to finish midtable.

 

[John from Bootle]

If you can’t see how the circumstances at the club have changed in the last 18 months I’m not sure I can help you. I advocated sticking with dyche because I believed (and still believe) that the only objective the club had at that time was survival and until things got to the point where that survival looked unlikely I didn’t see the point in changing. That’s still the point I’m making now, that your binary brain seemingly can’t comprehend despite it being explained to you numerous times. IF the new owners are genuinely ambitious I think we should change managers, but I don’t know if they are ambitious. If the clubs aim is to keep finishing 7th-12th without significant investment then Moyes is about the best manager around to do that. I HOPE that isn’t their aim and if not they should change, but I have no idea and as I said repeatedly at the time (and you disagreed with, because you don’t understand nuance) there’s no point bringing in carlo ancelotti if your aim is to finish midtable.

Not much has changed in 18 months though, other than the fact we've massively improved, with a low net spend.

I understand nuance completely. Stop being so condescending.

So, to clarify, Carlo was a bad choice, but Moyes is unambitious?

 

[RomanReigns]

Why do you think he's never managed at club level despite being 51? Because he's a coach not a manager. He's happy doing the youth stuff and didn't even want the England job when he had a chance to claim it as interim. He hasn't got the personality for the scrutiny he'd get if he managed an ambitious club like I'd hope we would be and his family life means he's not suitable for the day to day rigours of Premier League management either. Colin Harvey was a brilliant coach too but not a manager and there have been other examples too.

Arsenal appointed Mikel arteta when he had zero managerial experience

Nada

When we appointed Moyes his only experience was at Preston and that turned out to be ok for us in the end

I would rather give carlsey the opportunity than a bloody pereira, Thomas frank, ange postenoclue, ten Haag or Amorim flavour of the month

 

[Lanolin]

Not much has changed in 18 months though, other than the fact we've massively improved, with a low net spend.

I understand nuance completely. Stop being so condescending.

So, to clarify, Carlo was a bad choice, but Moyes is unambitious?

You can’t have a go at me for being condescending when the whole conversation is based on you unnecessarily trying to call me out for not having an extreme opinion either way and continuing to come back even after I’ve made it clear I think the discussion is closed. Last time you did this you came back months later apologising, I can only assume you’re in the same position now as you were then and so I sympathise with you, but don’t try to make out like I’m the one being a problem.

I’ll say the same again just in case it sinks in this time, I would like us to upgrade on Moyes in the summer because I hope the club have bigger aspirations than midtable for the next few years and I don’t see the value in having a lame duck manager. I also accept that my aims for the club may not align with the owners, and believe that if we’re going to have a small budget and just aim for midtable, Moyes is about as good as we’re going to get.

 

[Marius57]

Marco Silva. He has done quite well with a smallish club and seems to have toughened up. Will certainly do better with our younger talent and knows how to attack. Moyes does not. Looking at Braiden Graham...I would not let Moyes near him.

Fulham have only scored 6 more than us.

Whilst conceding 10 more.

 

[John from Bootle]

You can’t have a go at me for being condescending when the whole conversation is based on you unnecessarily trying to call me out for not having an extreme opinion either way and continuing to come back even after I’ve made it clear I think the discussion is closed. Last time you did this you came back months later apologising, I can only assume you’re in the same position now as you were then and so I sympathise with you, but don’t try to make out like I’m the one being a problem.

I’ll say the same again just in case it sinks in this time, I would like us to upgrade on Moyes in the summer because I hope the club have bigger aspirations than midtable for the next few years and I don’t see the value in having a lame duck manager. I also accept that my aims for the club may not align with the owners, and believe that if we’re going to have a small budget and just aim for midtable, Moyes is about as good as we’re going to get.

What? Neither one of us is a problem. I'm just a bloke on a forum offering up opinions, to quote you.

I apologised for being a bit brash and ending every post with a condescending'lololol' I stand by the general points I made.

Okay, I want us to stick with Moyes. I'm not gonna pussyfoot around and add on a load of caveats to try and maintain some degree of consistency.

 

[Rob17896]

Fulham have only scored 6 more than us.

Whilst conceding 10 more.

But they are a much smaller club with less resource than we now have. He would not do worse than Moyes now we have a base to build from. Moyes has done a good job but I think will not progress much beyond where we are. Too conservative and lacking confidence in flair.

 

[Rob17896]

Never go back!!

Moyes has done a good job so would disagree, but I dont think he will be progressive enough to go much beyond where we are. O'Brien for example is a carthorse at right back yet gets the nod. Armstrong is simply not a winger. Moyes does not have the imagination beyond picking those who will adhere to his orders. We keep losing at home and yet the energy of some younger players is wasted by leaving them on the bench or playing them out of position. We need a goal so Alcaraz and Dibling stay on the bench, Barry is taken off and Keane plays forward. Inept Sunday League management.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Moyes has done a good job so would disagree, but I dont think he will be progressive enough to go much beyond where we are. O'Brien for example is a carthorse at right back yet gets the nod. Armstrong is simply not a winger. Moyes does not have the imagination beyond picking those who will adhere to his orders. We keep losing at home and yet the energy of some younger players is wasted by leaving them on the bench or playing them out of position. We need a goal so Alcaraz and Dibling stay on the bench, Barry is taken off and Keane plays forward. Inept Sunday League management.

Armstrong is getting an apprenticeship. He’s getting to experience playing in different positions as part of his education.