Succession Planning - Managerial Wishlist

[Simon Buttle]

Cause trouble.

Tbh that's all I could see it doing.

 

[ClausThomsen]

I would like to see us get Iraola at Bournemouth.
I think he has done wonderfully well there and even this season after losing so many players from his team he has them midtable.

Didn't he take about 10 games to get a win when he first went there? He's also had a couple of extended spells of bad form. Mattress soaking all round when that kind of thing happens at Everton.

Bournemouth sometimes look good on the highlights but they are often very poor when you sit and watch them. Once his high press starts flagging there's very little in the way of Plan B.

Not to say that is the fault exclusively of Iraola. He is operating with one hand tied behind his back with a limited squad but a lot of the accusations threw at Moyes could equally be thrown at Iraola.

 

[Swartzy]

This is the power of the Moyes BS media campaign: we just played Sunderland who had 6 at AFCON and a handful of injured players.

We had a depleted squad only in the sense that we had a set in his ways dinosaur manager who's failed to keep Armstrong at the club and failed to hand regular first team minutes to three players brought into the club at the cost of £70M.

This is what Moyes does best: gets his message out there so he can hand his motley crew of fans the ammo to defend him.

He didn't fail to keep Armstrong though, he sent him on loan which has really paid off.
It's more what happens with him next.
He has already moved himself up the pecking order..

If Armstrong is still getting the gametime end of window, than the next decision could be a big one.

 

[davek]

He didn't fail to keep Armstrong though, he sent him on loan which has really paid off.
It's more what happens with him next.
He has already moved himself up the pecking order..

If Armstrong is still getting the gametime end of window, than the next decision could be a big one.

How can we tell if it's "really paid off"?

We had hardly any experience of him playing before he went out to PNE.

The way people just spin the received wisdom of the club and it's client journalists is very odd.

 

[Swartzy]

How can we tell if it's "really paid off"?

We had hardly any experience of him playing before he went out to PNE.

The way people just spin the received wisdom of the club and it's client journalists is very odd.

Well it should be quite simple for you.

Moyes won't play youngsters
PNE have given him half a season gametime.

3 games, 3 appearances, 2 starts.

Really, you are answering your own question.

 

[Pootsy]

We spent cash and loaned a world class player and we have the boost of a new stadium and new owners.

Asking for 4 more wins in this lousy league is low hanging fruit, yes.

We just played a team that beat us with worse problems than we have now.

Anyway, carry on with your excuses.

This is the power of the Moyes BS media campaign: we just played Sunderland who had 6 at AFCON and a handful of injured players.

We had a depleted squad only in the sense that we had a set in his ways dinosaur manager who's failed to keep Armstrong at the club and failed to hand regular first team minutes to three players brought into the club at the cost of £70M.

This is what Moyes does best: gets his message out there so he can hand his motley crew of fans the ammo to defend him.

You know we didn’t drop any points by losing to Sunderland in the cup.

So much spin you’ve wrapped yourself up.

 

[Moomin]

You know we didn’t drop any points by losing to Sunderland in the cup.

So much spin you’ve wrapped yourself up.

We lost our last chance of winning a trophy though.

 

[Pootsy]

We lost our last chance of winning a trophy though.

We did and that’s a pity as with other lose the additional minutes our fringe players could have been awarded.

 

[windymiller]

Alonso is available

Let's avoid Kopites for a bit, having your manager be immediately on the back foot with a substantial cohort of fans rarely pans out well for us. Whoever is next needs a decent period of goodwill from the fans. Benitez, Dyche and Moyes all arrived with baggage that has been unhelpful.

 

[JLW]

This is the power of the Moyes BS media campaign: we just played Sunderland who had 6 at AFCON and a handful of injured players.

We had a depleted squad only in the sense that we had a set in his ways dinosaur manager who's failed to keep Armstrong at the club and failed to hand regular first team minutes to three players brought into the club at the cost of £70M.

This is what Moyes does best: gets his message out there so he can hand his motley crew of fans the ammo to defend him.

I do agree with you on this.

Sending Armstrong out was a bad move, also knowing we would have to use Aznou and or Dibling at some point during the Christmas AFCON period and he gave them almost zero game time.

He would rather shuffle his best 11 players about out of position instead of giving these kids a chance to grow in the last 15-20 minutes of games.

 

[ClausThomsen]

United are supposedly bringing Steve Holland in to work with Carrick, that looks like a move for him to be meeting back up with Southgate in the Summer..

Really? I know Holland was at England with Southgate from U21s to the senior team but they don't have a connection at club level.

Holland is a very experienced assistant who has worked under loads of managers and was out of work. I don't think it's a clear indicator of Southgate being the No1 target. If they wanted Southgate I'm not sure why they'd be messing around with an interim.

Putting an interim in place points more towards they have someone in mind who is either under contract till the end of the season or has a World Cup to deal with first.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

Let's avoid Kopites for a bit, having your manager be immediately on the back foot with a substantial cohort of fans rarely pans out well for us. Whoever is next needs a decent period of goodwill from the fans. Benitez, Dyche and Moyes all arrived with baggage that has been unhelpful.

I think the bigger problem would be even if he did entertain us (he wouldn’t) if he did brilliantly for us and the RS came in for him do we honestly think he wouldn't do a Barmby?

 

[davek]

I do agree with you on this.

Sending Armstrong out was a bad move, also knowing we would have to use Aznou and or Dibling at some point during the Christmas AFCON period and he gave them almost zero game time.

He would rather shuffle his best 11 players about out of position instead of giving these kids a chance to grow in the last 15-20 minutes of games.

He gave the game away on that today in the Echo: "I couldn’t say that I was surprised with the results with what we were going to have available to us in certain games".

Basically he's saying that he'd factored these performances and results in, so there's no need to do the hard yards of bringing through - and up to speed - young players just bought to try and avoid that drop off in performances / results.

 

[windymiller]

A manager that has the success rating comparable to Carlo Ancelotti with less resources?

This is my favourite one.

Carlo Ancelotti

One Serie A title
One PL title
One Ligue 1 title
One Bundesliga title
Two La Liga titles

One Coppa Italia
One FA cup
Two DFL supercups
One Copa Del Ray

Five Champions League titles

David Moyes

One Europa Conference League

"Comparable success ratings"

Pete will respond that it's only their records at Everton that count, which is odd, but he is correct neither of them won a damn thing at Everton but Moyes had a lot more trys.

 

[JLW]

He gave the game away on that today in the Echo: "I couldn’t say that I was surprised with the results with what we were going to have available to us in certain games".

Basically he's saying that he'd factored these performances and results in, so there's no need to do the hard yards of bringing through - and up to speed - young players just bought to try and avoid that drop off in performances / results.

Did he really say that?

Thats accepting defeats and basically saying its ok because look what we had available. This is the type of mentality that we need to flush from the club and why we put in performances like we have been.