Strikers under Moyes

[DualityNSNO]

Fellaini isnt a striker.

Yakubu suffered a serious injury and turned into a wibble wobble.
Beattie we got back 4
Aj we got back 12
Jela is a current player

To add context, Liverpool in that time have spent 24m on Torres, 22m on Suarez, 35m on Carroll, 10m on Borini, 12m on Sturridge.

Torres scored lots, Suarez still scores lots and will continue to do so (current player, as you said), Caroll is a joke, I'll give you that one, Sturridge scores (current player), Borini is a striker if Mirallas is a striker (and a current player)

Moot point anyway, I think.

 

[dholliday]

I refuse to converse with somebody who insists on calling Fellaini a striker.

IM OWT.

not calling the big fella a striker, just saying he's someone we spent big money on who has been used as a striker a few times.

am only trying to stop fellow blues moaning about lack of money being the reason for our underachieving, it is a part-reason, but it's not the main reason.

The paradox we have is that Moyes is the reason we over-achieve, and he's also the reason we under-achieve. Whenever he does leave, it will be a fascinating ride to see what the next coaching team can do!

 

[dholliday]

Moot point anyway, I think.

Not really moot...the thread is about how Moyes is not getting the best out of his strikers, when other managers don't seem to have the same problem, at least not to the same extent as Moyes.

 

[Allezfan]

19 million on keane, 11 and a half on babel, 6 on morientes, 14 on cisse, 5 on kewell, 3 on le tallec, 11 on diouf.

Using them as an example is cheating really.

 

[dholliday]

19 million on keane, 11 and a half on babel, 6 on morientes, 14 on cisse, 5 on kewell, 3 on le tallec, 11 on diouf.

Using them as an example is cheating really.

Yeah, any club outside RS, Man U/City, Arsenal & Chelsea is a fair comparison. A table that would be interesting, but a bugger to compile if it's not googable, is a club-table based on strikers' goals per season. For example (just making them up):

2011/12:

Man U 47 (Rooney 22, Hernandez 13 etc)
Man C 43 (Aguero 25, Tevez 15 etc)
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.
.
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Everton 22 (Jela 10, Cheebs 5 etc)


maybe someone can find this via googling...might give us a solid indication as to how our strikers actually measure up when compared to everyone else in the league.

 

[Goat]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22285545

Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini said the date United really won the Premier League title was 17 August 2012 - the day they signed Robin van Persie from Arsenal.

"We wanted Van Persie because we knew he could be an important player," Mancini admitted . "He has changed their situation, he is the difference between us."

United clinched the title with a 3-0 win against Aston Villa on 22 April, with Van Persie scoring a hat-trick. But how important has Van Persie really been to United's season? And what impact have other clubs' leading scorers had on their success, or lack of it?

Everton left-back Leighton Baines has scored five goals this season but in percentage terms he leads all Premier League players in the number of touches of the ball. He takes 12.5% of all Everton's touches. At the other end of the spectrum, Manchester United's Mexican striker Javier Hernandez takes only 1.4% of all United's touches, but that was still enough to net him eight league goals.

 

[Brennan]

When he signs a new contract and buys a striker in the summer with a decent amount of money then we can really judge him.

I don't think he's very good at getting the best out of strikers, but it doesn't help that he's generally rifling through bargain buckets for players.

 

[Goat]

Ive already called it, Jela will rest up this summer, watch videos of Falcao and enter beast mode.

#VIMTO

 

[Elong]

Yeah, any club outside RS, Man U/City, Arsenal & Chelsea is a fair comparison. A table that would be interesting, but a bugger to compile if it's not googable, is a club-table based on strikers' goals per season. For example (just making them up):

2011/12:

Man U 47 (Rooney 22, Hernandez 13 etc)
Man C 43 (Aguero 25, Tevez 15 etc)
.
.
.
.
Everton 22 (Jela 10, Cheebs 5 etc)


maybe someone can find this via googling...might give us a solid indication as to how our strikers actually measure up when compared to everyone else in the league.

But we did that before, we looked at all time striker records in the last 10 years (Moyes's reign) and it showed that hardly any strikers consistently score more than 10 goals.

Also

when other managers don't seem to have the same problem, at least not to the same extent as Moyes.

, apparently they do on a consistent basis.

 

[Elong]

Ive already called it, Jela will rest up this summer, watch videos of Falcao and enter beast mode.

#VIMTO

Who knows, he might. Defoe can go a season scoring 20, then a season scoring 5.

In fact he's a fantastic example of going to a new club, slotting for fun, then doing **** all until moving to a new club.

 

[dholliday]

But we did that before, we looked at all time striker records in the last 10 years (Moyes's reign) and it showed that hardly any strikers consistently score more than 10 goals.

häää?

Everton representing only 1 of 56 entries in the 15 goals-per-season list is what we established. I even named a bunch of second-rate strikers for other clubs who consistently score goals (Holt, Defoe etc).

How you've gone from that to "it showed that hardly any strikers consistently score more than 10 goals" I have no clue.

 

[Elong]

häää?

Everton representing only 1 of 56 entries in the 15 goals-per-season list is what we established. I even named a bunch of second-rate strikers for other clubs who consistently score goals (Holt, Defoe etc).

How you've gone from that to "it showed that hardly any strikers consistently score more than 10 goals" I have no clue.

In general, not Everton strikers. Don't worry about it, I see it differently, lost in translation perhaps.

 

[dholliday]

In general, not Everton strikers.

But it's not in general, that's the point. Among the teams who regularly finish top 10, it's a problem unique to Everton during the Moyes-era.

 

[Elong]

But it's not in general, that's the point. Among the teams who regularly finish top 10, it's a problem unique to Everton during the Moyes-era.

Once again, I will say I agree with you that Moyes hasn't got a great record with strikers. But I'll maintain that there haven't been a lot of consistent strikers within our budget over the last 10 years. You're quite pedantic over certain points.

 

[dholliday]

Once again, I will say I agree with you that Moyes hasn't got a great record with strikers. But I'll maintain that there haven't been a lot of consistent strikers within our budget over the last 10 years. You're quite pedantic over certain points.

okay mate x

...some very decent strikers with much better hit-rates than Everton strikers...players like Dempsey, Holt, Hernandez, Odemwingie, BEnt, Defoe, Agbonlahor and a few others are all players we could have realistically signed, and most play for teams that finish below us, yet these strikers score goals at a rate we sorely miss...

Not to mention the countless strikers from the other European leagues who could do a job too.