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dannyboy
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I think it's simple really, we've never had the money to buy a real quality striker. Yakubu was excellent for a season and we all know what happened there with the injury.
Saha had his second best season in England with us. We even got a decent year out of a poor Beattie. Johnson was what was required at the time, we out grew him.
I looked at our play today and a quality forward would have had an absolute field day. Jelavic's movement was just too poor to even get anywhere near scoring a goal.
Saha had his second best season in England with us. We even got a decent year out of a poor Beattie. Johnson was what was required at the time, we out grew him.
I looked at our play today and a quality forward would have had an absolute field day. Jelavic's movement was just too poor to even get anywhere near scoring a goal.
Azza
Player Valuation: £80m
Stubbs sits in the stand and talks to Round through his earpiece.
I imagine all he says is "Get Jela outwide, get Jela outwide... "
Seamus Colemole
Previously deathbyropeandglass
As has been said, its tough to find strikers who score goals regularly over several seasons without spending a lot of money.
You could look at Moyes records with strikers and compare that to his record with midfielders and defenders and he's had way more successes with them, some for decent money, some cheap. Done a great job turning cheap players into established Prem players who increase in value under him.
Yet when you look at strikers the only one who comes close to that is Cahill. Some others have come in and done well at first but none other than Cahill have had any long term success similar to the defenders and midfileders he's earnt his rep on.
Weird.
You could look at Moyes records with strikers and compare that to his record with midfielders and defenders and he's had way more successes with them, some for decent money, some cheap. Done a great job turning cheap players into established Prem players who increase in value under him.
Yet when you look at strikers the only one who comes close to that is Cahill. Some others have come in and done well at first but none other than Cahill have had any long term success similar to the defenders and midfileders he's earnt his rep on.
Weird.
Housequake
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This is my original post from an article in The Guardian:
"The David Moyes & strikers question is something that digs up interesting answers and discussion and yet is often brushed over not only by Evertonians but football fans in general.
Since his appointment in 2002 on my count we've had 26 different people play centre forward for us. Now, for a famously "close knit" and settled squad (seven of our starting XI from a 2007 Everton team still make up the bulk of our back 5 and midfield) that is an astonishing amount of strikers, especially when you consider that we favour 1 up top.
Since Marcus Bent helped us to 4th in 2004/5 by harrying the living daylights out of defenders Moyes has made it the priority for our centre forwards to be complete workhorses, which has suited the likes of Andy Johnson but for the more cultured strikers who thrive on top quality service (Yakubu, Saha and now Jelavic) it's hampered their game to the point where they hardly score but apparently "help the team by bringing others in to play" by drifting out wide.
Thankfully we've always had slew of midfielders that are happy to chip in with enough goals and the #10 position taken first by Cahill and now Fellaini has worked with great success.
However, if you're a bit of a minimalist like myself and believe (with reason) that strikers are there to score to bloody score goals and not to drift out wide or get back for corners then it's quite honestly ****ing annoying, and another string to Moyes' bow that has worn down my patience with him over the past 3-4 years."
"The David Moyes & strikers question is something that digs up interesting answers and discussion and yet is often brushed over not only by Evertonians but football fans in general.
Since his appointment in 2002 on my count we've had 26 different people play centre forward for us. Now, for a famously "close knit" and settled squad (seven of our starting XI from a 2007 Everton team still make up the bulk of our back 5 and midfield) that is an astonishing amount of strikers, especially when you consider that we favour 1 up top.
Since Marcus Bent helped us to 4th in 2004/5 by harrying the living daylights out of defenders Moyes has made it the priority for our centre forwards to be complete workhorses, which has suited the likes of Andy Johnson but for the more cultured strikers who thrive on top quality service (Yakubu, Saha and now Jelavic) it's hampered their game to the point where they hardly score but apparently "help the team by bringing others in to play" by drifting out wide.
Thankfully we've always had slew of midfielders that are happy to chip in with enough goals and the #10 position taken first by Cahill and now Fellaini has worked with great success.
However, if you're a bit of a minimalist like myself and believe (with reason) that strikers are there to score to bloody score goals and not to drift out wide or get back for corners then it's quite honestly ****ing annoying, and another string to Moyes' bow that has worn down my patience with him over the past 3-4 years."
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Good post Housequake.
We need a new strikers coach if its the same one for the last 10 years
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How do you coach a striker? Surely it's more natural instinct to be in the right place and have some technical ability.
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I'd love to see someone like Beardsley get involved...
Elong
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This is a league wide problem, not just for Everton. Loads of strikers come into a new team, slot for fun for a few months, then go on slumps. There's only a handful of consistent strikers in the league right now. There was a chart up on here a little while back that had the current goal slumps of the top strikers, it included RVP (before started scoring again), Adebeyor, Cisse, Torres, couple others, there's some big names having the same troubles.
dholliday
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There you go, with Everton players getting barely a look-in
In other words:
56 players have scored 15 or more per season in the last 10 seasons. Only 1 of those was from an Everton player (Yak barely scraping in with 15 during 07/08).
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