Strikers under Moyes

[Elong]

There you go, with Everton players getting barely a look-in

At a quick glance, I'm seeing Henry, Van Nistlerooy, Ronaldo, Bent, Van Persie, Shearer. Maybe I've set the bar too high, or maybe it just shows how inconsistent strikers can be in their careers.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

I bet if you compiled a list of strikers in the Premier League in the last 10 years to have scored 15+ goals in more than one season, it wouldn't be the longest. We're not great with strikers, but only a few teams actually are.

It doesn't have to be 15 goals a season to be a success though.

Like i said earlier, how come he has numerous success stories of turning cheap and unknown defenders and midfielders into consistently good Premier League players, yet pretty much nothing when it comes to strikers?

And even those that do well for a bit always end up stinking?

If he brings in an already established striker they seem to start well then get worse, and young/unknown strikers barely register. Yakubu was unfortunate cause of the injury and Saha was just too old by the end.

 

[Goat]

Cos being a striker cant be taught.

You either have it or your Heskey.

 

[Elong]

It doesn't have to be 15 goals a season to be a success though.

Like i said earlier, how come he has numerous success stories of turning cheap and unknown defenders and midfielders into consistently good Premier League players, yet pretty much nothing when it comes to strikers?

And even those that do well for a bit always end up stinking?

Yeah for sure, perhaps 15 is a bit of a high mark to aim for in todays football, I don't think you get the 30 goal seasons like you did in the 90s anymore with the game being more squad-orientated. But even looking at those lists and lowering to 10 goals a season, there's still not too many more names to list.

That doesn't mean Moyes and the coaching staff aren't doing as well as they could with the strikers, it was just something that came to me. Perhaps the style of football today is a lot more defensive and closed off, and so defenders do shine better? Certainly with our style of play that could be a case.

 

[Goat]

IF we ever buy a quality Striker, than maybe we can judge.

 

[Elong]

IF we ever buy a quality Striker, than maybe we can judge.

How many of them are even plying their trade in the PL today do you reckon? Out and out quality, I reckon half a dozen at best, it's a pretty poor league for them.

 

[Allezfan]

In other words:

56 players have scored 15 or more per season in the last 10 seasons. Only 1 of those was from an Everton player (Yak barely scraping in with 15 during 07/08).

Ha, nailed it.

 

[Brownie]

1. We play one up front and it is actually one up front
2. Being a good striker is hard in any formation
3. Good strikers cost lots of money and we don't have any money
4. Moyes isn't the best at attacking play in general
5. Do a trivia question Artetafan

 

[dholliday]

Yeah for sure, perhaps 15 is a bit of a high mark to aim for in todays football

It's not high. If we only get 1 out of 56 players managing 15 goals or more then something is wrong. We're a constant top 8 side, we should have at least 5 entries in that list.

 

[Elong]

Ha, nailed it.

Kind of but not really. We get a striker in and he goes pretty well (Beattie, Yak, Johnson, Jelavic), then second season syndrome kicks in.

Looking at the stats, it happens to loads of other teams too, as of those 56 players, only a handful do it in consecutive seasons.

 

[dholliday]

1. We play one up front and it is actually one up front
2. Being a good striker is hard in any formation
3. Good strikers cost lots of money and we don't have any money
4. Moyes isn't the best at attacking play in general
5. Do a trivia question Artetafan

1. sometimes we play 4-4-2
2. only as hard as being a good midfielder, defender or goalie
3. we've spent 33m on 4 strikers...money is not the issue
4. agreed
5. good idea

 

[Elong]

It's not high. If we only get 1 out of 56 players managing 15 goals or more then something is wrong. We're a constant top 8 side, we should have at least 5 entries in that list.

How many of those players could we afford to buy?

 

[dholliday]

Looking at the stats, it happens to loads of other teams too, as of those 56 players, only a handful do it in consecutive seasons.

Except those other teams at least have more than 1 entry from more than 1 player...

 

[DualityNSNO]

1. sometimes we play 4-4-2
2. only as hard as being a good midfielder, defender or goalie
3. we've spent 33m on 4 strikers...money is not the issue
4. agreed
5. good idea

With one of the strikers roaming out wide/outside the box. That's 4-2-2 only on paper.

Even when Yak was around and him an AJ played lots together - at least one of them was playing off the other/receiving the ball on the wing for no reason at all.

 

[Elong]

Christ, I'm defending Moyes here, Goat's taken hold of my keyboard or something, save me davek!