Steven Pienaar

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The Esk said:
Will for ever be immortalised on GOT as being the only (as far as we know) first team member to suffer the indignity of being banned from the site.
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I don't usually pay mind to politics, snidey backroom shenanigans and bellfoolery of the Multitude of Multis pervading the fabric of the very fine institution of GOT... But WHAAAAT!?!?

Actually, I think I might remember this but thats a corker. Will make a great story down the track.
 
sageyefc said:
50 direct assist in his time here not to mention how many times he assisted the assister which I think we can all acknowledge would be double, Donovan was brulliant for the time but looked 10x better than he was purely because he came into the worst everton side ive seen in decades ridiculous to say he came anywhere near piennaer contribution to us.

Like i say, even if it was a big wage at the time it was richly deserved, we couldn't replace and ended up having to resign him, to cut out all that curfuffle should've just sorted it. Arteta was on silly money, at that point he was a glorified crab, he no longer ran our games like piennaar and baines did
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Well different opinions mate, im not saying he didnt contribute but he had the talent to do better, praticularly directly in terms of goals and assists. I get the assisting the assister thing - but to be honest i never really buy it as it relies on the talent of other players and is a consequence of your positiion, if you compare that to Arteta who was our previous top earner in his best years he was getting double figure Assists and Goals and having a bigger impact on the general play of the team (assisting the assister).

Now i remember Pienaars most productive spells for us being the 6 month loan from Spurs in 2011, in terms of cuttng edge golas and assists he was sublime, which is why we brought him back - he had the ability to do it, he never followed through on that. Im not knocking him, he was a good servent - but those dynamics are important.

Well you cant compare Landon and Pienaars contribution due the longevity of there time, but i think it would be tough call on who i would choose between Landon and Pienaar if i had the chance to sign both in their prime back in 2007. Well i would prob go for Landon to be honest. Game for game Landon was better.

50 assists in almost 10 years isnt great mate, when you consider how often he played.
 
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For the last two years he has been poor. His act simply consists of drawing fouls and falling over. He is slow, obvious
and no longer a Premier league player.

He did have an initial good run when he returned but as an investment he was a dud second time around.

There will be a long queue of players leaving this summer and he and Hibbert should be at the front.
 
Loved Pienaar back in the day when he was fit.

In my opinion he was integral to the way Moyes ground out results for us.

Perhaps he didn't get into the digits some of you might've expected/wanted from a player seemingly of his ability, but his power to draw us free kicks and relive pressure - not to mention his immense ball retention skills - was invaluable.

Oh and lets be real, Baines is nowhere near the standard of player we think he is without Pienaar unleashing him. That partnership was undoubtedly one of the most formidable left flanks in the Prem for a while.
 
Neiler said:
Well different opinions mate, im not saying he didnt contribute but he had the talent to do better, praticularly directly in terms of goals and assists. I get the assisting the assister thing - but to be honest i never really but it as it relies on the talent of other players and is a consequence of your positiion, if you compare that to Arteta who was our previous top earner in his best years he was getting double figure Assists and Goals and having a bigger impact on the general play of the team (assisting the assister).

Now i remember Pienaar most productive spells for us being the 6 month loan from Spurs in 2011, in terms of cuttng edge golas and assists he was sublime, which is why we brouaght him back - he had the ability to do it, he never followed through on that. Im not knocking him, he was a good servent - but those dynamics are important.

Well you cant compare Landon and Pienaars contribution due the longevity of there time, but i think it would be tough call on who i would choose between Landon and Pienaar if i had the chance to sign both in their prime back in 2007. Well i would prob go for Landon to be honest.

50 assists in almost 10 years isnt great mate, when you consider how often he played.
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Assisit rate of just over 1 in 4.


As for arteta he got 33 assists so even he got nowhere near him granted he got About 7-8 more goals total but he was on pens and freekicks. Mikel was awesome for his first few seasons but really turned into a crab, imo piennar was consistently more influential.
 
sageyefc said:
Assisit rate of just over 1 in 4.


As for arteta he got 33 assists so even he got nowhere near him granted he got About 7-8 more goals total but he was on pens and freekicks. Mikel was awesome for his first few seasons but really turned into a crab, imo piennar was consistently more influential.
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agreed man, Arteta became a shadow of his former self
 
sageyefc said:
As for arteta he got 33 assists so even he got nowhere near him granted he got About 7-8 more goals total but he was on pens and freekicks. Mikel was awesome for his first few seasons but really turned into a crab, imo piennar was consistently more influential.
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Is that taking Cups and Europe into account mate?

Arteta played for us 5 and half years, Pienaar for what 9. So that stat is a bit scewed really.
 
sageyefc said:
Yeah all comps, Stevens only played 19 more games than what arteta did
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God thats pretty awful, considering he's been here for just under a decade, albeit when binned us of to join Spurs - that must be 200 odd appearances.

That may make for an interesting season average.

I make it Pienaar 217 in total, Arteta 196.

I'm surprised by that, clearly he needs cutting loose.
 
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Neiler said:
He was a good player mate, without doubt on his day, but in 2011 75k, was a top top salary would be the equivalant of about 100k a week now - i dont think he was worth that. And i have little sympathey for him now his career is regression, if you dont show loyalty you shouldnt expect it.

Despite being a good player, he never averaged much more then single figure assists and goals (often below 5 a year each) for all his technical ability he never had a cutting edge or was a match winner, whether he would have been as effective without Baines and vice versa as well is a broader debate - they certainly both complemented each other well.

Donavon came in and did brilliantly when Pienarr left and game for game was certainly more effective if memory serves me.
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He was our most influential player since Beardsley. My heart always sank when he wasn't in the team because I new our style of play would be completely different. Look at us v Arsenal in RM's first season. Ran that game. Baines wasn"t playing. You can't measure his contribution in goals and assists. He used to run the show.
 
Neiler said:
Well different opinions mate, im not saying he didnt contribute but he had the talent to do better, praticularly directly in terms of goals and assists. I get the assisting the assister thing - but to be honest i never really buy it as it relies on the talent of other players and is a consequence of your positiion, if you compare that to Arteta who was our previous top earner in his best years he was getting double figure Assists and Goals and having a bigger impact on the general play of the team (assisting the assister).

Now i remember Pienaars most productive spells for us being the 6 month loan from Spurs in 2011, in terms of cuttng edge golas and assists he was sublime, which is why we brought him back - he had the ability to do it, he never followed through on that. Im not knocking him, he was a good servent - but those dynamics are important.

Well you cant compare Landon and Pienaars contribution due the longevity of there time, but i think it would be tough call on who i would choose between Landon and Pienaar if i had the chance to sign both in their prime back in 2007. Well i would prob go for Landon to be honest. Game for game Landon was better.

50 assists in almost 10 years isnt great mate, when you consider how often he played.
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Get a grip mate. That's up there with Davek. What next McBride better than Dunc?
 
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