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Shut it Neville, you belter

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...or maybe I'm just a blue who's taken exception to the team captain declaring all Everton are fit for is feeder club status?
See, I'd agree with you and go along with lcab's theory of everyone who is a Blue must be alright at the end of the day. And I actually agree with a lot of what you say. But the problem that I have with your "just a Blue" theory - and by extension the fact that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a tosser - is that you don't have - you never have - a decent word to say about the club.

And you're a coward. When things are going well, it's I've never said anything against Moyes as a manager and, when they go bad, he's a ginger prick.
 
second time was in the hotel , before the game, the fella works with the team and is good mates with bluefox off here not one for lies.when a club in the champions lg came in for neville, who is coming to the end of his carreer, he would be mad not to want talk to them

All this is complete rumour and hearsay and cannot be used in a sensible discussion about Neville.

And last time I looked Spurs weren't looking like getting in the champions league again anyway.
 
I know, it's like Laura Ashley meets the Adams Family

It was the white monogrammed super thick carpet that did it for me. I seem to remember monogrammed gates as well. And possibly the curtains.

Other than that he's a lovely lad.
 
Obviously it's not something he should be commenting on to the media. That's what happens when you become this strange mix of player/captain/coach/co-commentator/pundit that seems to be trendy these days.
 
Obviously it's not something he should be commenting on to the media. That's what happens when you become this strange mix of player/captain/coach/co-commentator/pundit that seems to be trendy these days.
Yes, but also these days it isn't as black and white as davek likes to pretend it is. Everyone is spinning, some to greater effect than others. And, while some might think that Neville's (and Arteta's, which haven't received the same attention) comments are inappropriate, look at the debate and the attention that they throw on BK before the result of the "talks" about next season and finance becomes public.

Game's the game.
 
...or maybe I'm just a blue who's taken exception to the team captain declaring all Everton are fit for is feeder club status?

Do you know one of the things I really hate about Kopites?

It's the way they're so melodramatic. Hodgson isn't just a manager doing a bad job, he's a senile, self promoting idiot who's never done anything of worth in his entire life, only gets jobs because he has mates in the media, and is actively trying to put down the club. Gilks and Hicks aren't just owners who have given the club a lot of debt, their ownership is the equilivant of watching your family get raped to the music of celine dyon. They're not just playing some decent stuff, they're the best team in the world and next year they'll win the quadruple.

It's why they love their protests and their flags and their hate figures and their messiahs. Because it's not just a sport to them, they won't let it remain like that, they have to sensationalise it all, to make it all about larger than life villains and heroes and conspiracies.

And the fact is they often actually have a point, Hodgson was doing a bad job, but they're so one note and over the top about it that it doesn't matter, I just want to punch them, anyway. They'res no subtlety, no awareness that people can do something good and something bad too. It's such a blinkered way of looking at the game (Rafael won the cup, he's perfect. Webb didn't give us one penalty once, he hates us) and it drives me mad.

Anyway, I don't know why that all came to mind just then.
 
All this is complete rumour and hearsay and cannot be used in a sensible discussion about Neville.

And last time I looked Spurs weren't looking like getting in the champions league again anyway.

spurs were in the champions lg at the time and looking odd on to make it agian at the time of the enquiry.going down your line of we cant talk about rumour and hearsay about are club that wouldnt leave us with very little to talk about, the lad works with the team ,i dont, so i take him as i find him not a bull****ter, make of it what you want, but i know if they get a close up of are bench there is a good chance he will be on it, so that tells me he close enough to the players to know a thing or two about what going on.
 
spurs were in the champions lg at the time and looking odd on to make it agian at the time of the enquiry.going down your line of we cant talk about rumour and hearsay about are club that wouldnt leave us with very little to talk about, the lad works with the team ,i dont, so i take him as i find him not a bull****ter, make of it what you want, but i know if they get a close up of are bench there is a good chance he will be on it, so that tells me he close enough to the players to know a thing or two about what going on.

I'm not going to form opinions on chinese whispers and gossip. I will form an opinion on Neville's conduct as club captain.

Its been exemplary.

No matter if people would prefer to paint our club captain in different colours to suit their agenda.
 
See, I'd agree with you and go along with lcab's theory of everyone who is a Blue must be alright at the end of the day. And I actually agree with a lot of what you say. But the problem that I have with your "just a Blue" theory - and by extension the fact that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a tosser - is that you don't have - you never have - a decent word to say about the club.

And you're a coward. When things are going well, it's I've never said anything against Moyes as a manager and, when they go bad, he's a ginger prick.

You need to re-read this thread if you think I'm the one who's intolerant/dismissive of other people's opinions.

Unbelievable.
 
I'm not going to form opinions on chinese whispers and gossip. I will form an opinion on Neville's conduct as club captain.

Its been exemplary.

No matter if people would prefer to paint our club captain in different colours to suit their agenda.

So you wont give creedence to any of LCAB's transfer info?
 
I'm not going to form opinions on chinese whispers and gossip. I will form an opinion on Neville's conduct as club captain.

Its been exemplary.

No matter if people would prefer to paint our club captain in different colours to suit their agenda.

i havnt said anything bad about neville or his conduct, i said he to his credit had got his head down and were a better team with him in it, and could understand him wanting to have a last chance of glory in the champions lg. infact i havnt posted anything negative about are club for weeks so i dont see why you think i have an agenda.
 
Yes, but also these days it isn't as black and white as davek likes to pretend it is. Everyone is spinning, some to greater effect than others. And, while some might think that Neville's (and Arteta's, which haven't received the same attention) comments are inappropriate, look at the debate and the attention that they throw on BK before the result of the "talks" about next season and finance becomes public.

Game's the game.

There is a difference though. Arteta and Howard's comments talk about adding to the squad, signing better quality players. Neither of them talk about how that comes about, because it's not their place to comment.

Phil Neville actually said something along similar lines:

"I think it's something you need to do, you need to keep adding to the squad. We have done that every season since I have been at the club. It provides competition for the players and keeps the players motivated.


"As players all you need to do is look after yourself because we have faith and trust in the manager and chairman to provide what the team needs."

This is fine. There's nothing wrong with a player of a club saying that it'd be good if they can have better players to play with.

But then you get things like this:

“It is the way of the world at a club like Everton,” said Neville. “Sometimes to move forward, you might have to sell one of your better players, like we did with Rooney.
“But the year after we sold Rooney, we qualified for the Champions League, so it isn’t necessarily a bad thing sometimes.
“Sometimes you just have to take a hit on one of your superstars, and take one step back so you can take two forwards.”

He's trying to give his opinion as an outsider looking in, but also as a player at the club, so he's tripping himself up. Things like, "It is the way of the world at a club like Everton" and “Sometimes you just have to take a hit on one of your superstars, and take one step back so you can take two forwards” - that's the kind of thing you'd hear an unemployed manager say. Yet then at the same time he's talking about how 'we' sold Rooney, even though he wasn't at the club when that happened.

He needs to make his mind up about what position he's speaking from.

 
There is a difference though. Arteta and Howard's comments talk about adding to the squad, signing better quality players. Neither of them talk about how that comes about, because it's not their place to comment.

Phil Neville actually said something along similar lines:

"I think it's something you need to do, you need to keep adding to the squad. We have done that every season since I have been at the club. It provides competition for the players and keeps the players motivated.


"As players all you need to do is look after yourself because we have faith and trust in the manager and chairman to provide what the team needs."

This is fine. There's nothing wrong with a player of a club saying that it'd be good if they can have better players to play with.

But then you get things like this:

“It is the way of the world at a club like Everton,” said Neville. “Sometimes to move forward, you might have to sell one of your better players, like we did with Rooney.
“But the year after we sold Rooney, we qualified for the Champions League, so it isn’t necessarily a bad thing sometimes.
“Sometimes you just have to take a hit on one of your superstars, and take one step back so you can take two forwards
.”

He's trying to give his opinion as an outsider looking in, but also as a player at the club, so he's tripping himself up. Things like, "It is the way of the world at a club like Everton" and “Sometimes you just have to take a hit on one of your superstars, and take one step back so you can take two forwards” - that's the kind of thing you'd hear an unemployed manager say. Yet then at the same time he's talking about how 'we' sold Rooney, even though he wasn't at the club when that happened.

He needs to make his mind up about what position he's speaking from.


There is nothing wrong with that statement for me..

In FACT, it's nailed on.. We talk about the exact same sh!t on this forum.. But when Nev has similar feelings we castrate him?

Not Me.
 
So you wont give creedence to any of LCAB's transfer info?

No offense to LCAB but not really. Last time I had a transfer story it was Landon Donovan nailed on.

But then this isn't the issue.

Just because somebody knows someone at the club and can get a squad sheet out before its officially released doesn't mean the place isn't a vice pit of gossip, rumour and conjecture amongst the staff working around the players. Neville doesn't strike me as the kind of person to talk about a transfer to Spurs with one of the groundsmen etc.
 
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