Roberto Vs Ronald

[Nyhus]

Koeman the superior manger, Martinez the superior motovator. Both had good first seasons, but Robertos first was special until the last 5 games or so.

 

[Seathestars]

Is this a trick question

 

[hktoffee]

Ok one day after Koeman is sacked we see this, knowing Bobby’s fan wanted to justify the ineptitude of Martinez. People have short memory. I guess this is the norm as his sacking was 16 months ago. The memories become blur to many posters. Martinez was a nightmare and that nightmare lasted for 2 full seasons until he was sacked rightfully. Well at least the board act it quick this time it was 9 games into the season. Koeman still had better stats on papers than the delusion tiki taka wannabe. But yes I do agree both failed at Everton.

 

[hktoffee]

the good times just seemed a little higher with Roberto.

But the bad times were much longer. 2 full seasons.

 

[Blackwell Livermore]

Martinez inherited a much better setup than Koeman...

This all day.

 

[Blackwell Livermore]

Voted Koeman but they were both $#!T.

 

[Blackwell Livermore]

66.66666% of Martinez time here was an utter disgrace.

He was the anti-christ.

 

[hktoffee]

Koeman by miles, problem is these bad results are fresh and at the front of our minds, but dont forget what a mess Martinez made, he just got lucky that he took over a stable Moyes side, and turned into into a bottom half of the table team, full on Mike Walker Mk2 but like Brendan Rodgers he had a striker to bail him out

Exactly. The fume was built up on Koeman since August and the unease are fresh. Many posters just forget how dreadful Martinez was and that lastef for 2 seasons. Did we win like 4/5 games at and lost 9 at Goodison in his last season? People have short memory.

 

[i started duncan chant]

Bobby Clown shoes won 4 out of 18 in his last season in the league at home. Let that sink in. Worst home record ever. If you listened to him though we were on a par with Barca.

 

[TheFinnFan]

other one lived in fantasy world and other one was more pragmatic than father ted

 

[toffeeblue9]

You can pinpoint the exact moment it went south for Martinez. Wolfsburg away. Great 1st season and the 2nd one had started pretty well (a crazy, albeit typical Martinez defeat to Chelsea on the opening day notwithstanding), but after that amazing away in Wolfsburg in the 2nd season (November, was it?), it all went bad, and it was allowed to continue like that for 18 months for some unfathomable reason

He inherited a good set up, did well with it then somehow managed to make it fall apart

Koeman inherited a mess, got it back on track to a degree, then seemed to create different mess of his own

I did at least enjoy watching Everton for a while under Martinez. Other than the Man City games season, I can't really remember ever enjoying watching Everton under Koeman and probably haven't done really since that fateful Wolfsburg turning point

Both turned out to be poor managers, I wouldn't want to choose between them, but I "liked" Martinez more than I ever took to Koeman

 

[TheFinnFan]

Had huge hopes with Koeman...Martinez gave me better memories

 

[hktoffee]

Lower sides like Palace West Brom and Liverpool.lol Beautiful dig that at our neighbours.Seriously though anyone that says Koeman was a better manager than Martinez, has a case of serious blinkers.We had one solid but pretty boring and underwhelming season with Koeman.He then spent 140 million smackers in the summer, for the worst start to a season since Mike Walker.Bear in mind that i am one of Martinez's biggest critics here.But the notion that Roberto Martinez, is a worse Everton manager than Ronald Koeman is a load of balls.

Martinez was a failure, and i was driven mental by him at the end.But a worse Everton manager than Ronald Koeman not at all.I heralded Koeman arrival as the man who will be remembered as our finest manager since the late great Howard Kendall.Instead Koeman leaves our beloved club as a failure, he also leaves our club as a worse Everton manager than Roberto Martinez.It really is that simple for me.At least Martinez never showed up for a press conference looking like a drunken bum, harassing you for change in the street.Martinez also got Everton.He understood how special this club is.All Koeman did while he was here was have wet dreams about the Barcelona job and bore us to tears in the process.

I think some fans determine how good a manager is by judging through their PL career. Martinez got a few bottom half finishes and eventually relegated Wigan. He then got lucky due to Bill and had the holy grail season followed by two absolutely dreadful seasons as far as Everton were concerned. Remember no practicing on setpieces not asking the wingers to track back it was a mess. Koeman had a good reputation at Soton by finishing 7th and 6th in the PL. He then hired by Moshiri, got a steady 7th but it went wrong when Lukaku was sold and not replacing him (who’s fault? The board, Walsh or Koeman himself?) and for some reason he cannot fit in his new players to the system he was playing since August. His reluctance to change or his stubbornness caused him his job. Both managers failed at Everton but the agony under RM was so much longer and humiliating.

 

[bicycleheader]

Ok one day after Koeman is sacked we see this, knowing Bobby’s fan wanted to justify the ineptitude of Martinez. People have short memory. I guess this is the norm as his sacking was 16 months ago. The memories become blur to many posters. Martinez was a nightmare and that nightmare lasted for 2 full seasons until he was sacked rightfully. Well at least the board act it quick this time it was 9 games into the season. Koeman still had better stats on papers than the delusion tiki taka wannabe. But yes I do agree both failed at Everton.

i havent justified any ineptitude. why do you take everything about Martinez so seriously. its quite funny I'm not a fan of his as he won us nothing and slowly turned us into a mess. I'm a fan of Joe Royle as he made us boss for a short while and won us a trophy. Not really a fan of any manager since. We need better, much better.

both failed but Martinez with his first season, the European run (until the Kiev disaster) and some games against the bigger teams left more memories than normal boring Ronald.

The thread was opened yesterday purely because I realised yesterday that Koeman actually would probably be remembered as being the bigger failure and I found it amusing and got in a discussion with @ianefc about it.

I am surprised by the poll results so far to be honest, but thinking more on it I would be certain that Martinez would win the same poll in 5 years time.

We hired an utterly predictable manager in Koeman so its no surprise when he will be forgotten for not really doing much and getting booted out after a season and a bit.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

I think some fans determine how good a manager is by judging through their PL career. Martinez got a few bottom half finishes and eventually relegated Wigan. He then got lucky due to Bill and had the holy grail season followed by two absolutely dreadful seasons as far as Everton were concerned. Remember no practicing on setpieces not asking the wingers to track back it was a mess. Koeman had a good reputation at Soton by finishing 7th and 6th in the PL. He then hired by Moshiri, got a steady 7th but it went wrong when Lukaku was sold and not replacing him (who’s fault? The board, Walsh or Koeman himself?) and for some reason he cannot fit in his new players to the system he was playing since August. His reluctance to change or his stubbornness caused him his job. Both managers failed at Everton but the agony under RM was so much longer and humiliating.

That's a true point too mate.The agony was a lot longer and humiliating under Martinez.I think if you look at it on paper Martinez did achieve more than Koeman as our manager.At least with Martinez's debut season we enjoyed our best season since 1995/1996 under Joe Royle.Martinez though is also the manager who has the worst Everton post world war 2 home record on his CV.Martinez did leave an unholy mess behind him.We were in free fall when he was sacked.We were 13th on 44 points.Koeman did a good job sorting us out last season from the mess Martinez left behind, and put in place solid structures, that i thought we would build on this season.

Sadly though the Koeman reign fell apart to such an extent that even the most pessimistic of us could not have imagined it.Ultimately the two of them were incompetent failures as managers.I just hope that this time around mate we get the right manager.If we get the next managerial appointment wrong it could break the club.