Roberto Martinez discussion

[hullefc]

Martinez never uttered the word failure - he said it would be disappointing. The journalist has used the word 'failure' to sensationalise what Martinez has said. Typical.

 

[steken1]

Roberto Martinez says Everton's season would be a failure even if they WIN the FA Cup final



http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/roberto-martinez-says-evertons-season-7405042

Good to hear this from him. There's a perception that winning the passing and scoring loads is good enough for him. Clearly not the case.

I disagree with him though. Winning the FACup would be massive

 

[abelard]

Martinez never uttered the word failure - he said it would be disappointing. The journalist has used the word 'failure' to sensationalise what Martinez has said. Typical.

Exactly. Part of the reason why sports journalism has always been the lowest, laziest form of journalism is because so many of us continue to set the bar so low for them by taking the bait.

 

[chicoazul]

@chicoazul; here are the stats;

Home
WBA 76% L 0-1!
New 55 W 3-0*
Swan 55 L 1-2!
Stoke 51 L 3-4!
Spurs 50 D 0-0?
Leic 65 L 2-3!
CPal 59 D 1-1!
Villa 60 W 3-0*
Sund 63 W 6-2*
Untd 53 L 0-3#Howie
RS 48 D 1-1 unquantifiable
Chel 45 W 3-0*
What 68 D 2-2! for my argument I only count wins at Home as 'good' = * # = 'bad' ? = meh

Away
Stoke 41% W 0-3*
Chel 45 D 3-3*
Newc 61 W 0-1*
Bourn 43 D 3-3*
WHU 49 D 1-1*
Arsl 40 L 1-2?
WBA 57 W 2-3*
Swan 42 D 2-2*
Spurs 52 D 0-0*
South 35 W 0-3* and wins and draws as 'good' away

So which is it Home and away form or too much possession or a bit of both.

As I would I'm for it's all Martinez's fault, he thinks he want possession in theory but in fact , like Vs EFC and City in the cup he is actually more effective on the break with less possession.

Or not, I mean its stats and interpretation innit.

Degs I'm not the one you should come at bra. I'm jus too fie.

 

[Tubey]

Roberto Martinez says Everton's season would be a failure even if they WIN the FA Cup final



http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/roberto-martinez-says-evertons-season-7405042

First thing he's said in 18 months I've agreed with. And it's absolutely obvious too.

 

[chicoazul]

Then came Boxing day 2013 V's Sunderland with the Howard Osman soft shoe shuffle. This in my opinion is where it all started to go down hill.

This is ludicrous. What about the six or seven game run that came in March/April where we shot up to fourth? Was that downhill?

You actually believe we got four months before it went downhill. Ace.

Not to defend or crucify him just to place him...I still want him gone.

Oh no of course not. We really couldn't tell. That bit where you myopically attack him every time we have an adverse result, I mean it shows just such a level approach.

It's almost like you didn't want him in the first place and are more preoccupied with being proven right on the internet rather than your team being successful.

 

[moyes cardy]

Is it not better to judge him at the end of season rather than now - who knows he may get Europa and win the FA cup - be interesting to see what the fume would be then! No one wins or losing anything now.

 

[abelard]

The train arrived several minutes late this morning. Not only was it Martinez's fault, but I knew that it was going to be his fault as early as 2013!

The clown

 

[Dario Terracotta]

And if by season end, we've got to either 8th or preferably 5th, we can therefore judge the season as relatively successful and not a failure.
Tenth or lower and I for one will be thoroughly underwhelmed and I suspect there'll be many more like me!!
@Dario Terracotta @The Esk @Khalekan @Groucho @Woolly Blue

we'll get NSNO back blockhead my old mate!!

 

[degsy]

The bold bit. Throughout his managerial career he has done a few things differently for example at Swansea it was possession based and at Wigan he tried the possession - playing from the back but also developed a counter attacking style that kept them in the Premier League.

How many teams would go to Wigan and park the bus? The 'parking the bus' is a relatively new issue for him to deal with. At the moment he is still struggling to come to grips with this. His first 2 seasons we won at home from good play and also a bit of luck at times and good defending by the players. But more and more managers are going away from home and playing on the counter - parking the bus and hitting teams on the break. 'Defending' does become an issue as does defenders concentrating for the 90 minutes and getting in the right spot to defend.

Martinez needs to develop a 'style/type' of play that can win against teams that 'park the bus/play on the counter'.

I think you may (???) not have quite grasped the point... to bobby it's possession 1st and last, the quick break seems to be an serendipitous unintended consequence... of the 'wtf? but hey I'll take it' variety.

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

The train arrived several minutes late this morning. Not only was it Martinez's fault, but I knew that it was going to be his fault as early as 2013!

The clown

...if his trains weren't so predominantly attack minded then perhaps they'd adhere to schedule.

The tit.

 

[AndyC]

we'll get NSNO back blockhead my old mate!!

Fingers crossed Dario.

Just gotta see us top o' th' pile again before we shuffle off this mortal coil... not just for us owldies mate, but for all the younger Blues who've yet to experience the feeling and joy of singing "Champee-o-nay, Champee-o-nay; Champee-o-nay EVERTON !!!"

 

[degsy]

Degs I'm not the one you should come at bra. I'm jus too fie.

verily didst thou diss me, oh ye of short memory...'utter' you quoth...I mean 'utter' ffs. we play better with less possession. see the law of unintended consequences.
he hasn't got a scooby.

but have no doubt I'll fly from Brisbane and allez allez oh with the best of them come cup final day...saying all the time I always knew that davek was right.

 

[chicoazul]

verily didst thou diss me, oh ye of short memory...'utter' you quoth...I mean 'utter' ffs. we play better with less possession. see the law of unintended consequences.
he hasn't got a scooby.

but have no doubt I'll fly from Brisbane and allez allez oh with the best of them come cup final day...saying all the time I always knew that davek was right.

Degga you didn't want him before 2013 was through. You'd made your mind up bra. What chance did he stand with you?

 

[degsy]

This is ludicrous. What about the six or seven game run that came in March/April where we shot up to fourth? Was that downhill?

You actually believe we got four months before it went downhill. Ace.



Oh no of course not. We really couldn't tell. That bit where you myopically attack him every time we have an adverse result, I mean it shows just such a level approach.

It's almost like you didn't want him in the first place and are more preoccupied with being proven right on the internet rather than your team being successful.

chico in full WUM mode here